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MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Mar 17 @ 4:03 PM ET
IMO, I don't think it's ever too soon for Tambellini to start making moves to solidify the Oilers roster. It seems obvious that they are still at minimum 2 or 3 players away from pushing themselves over the proverbial hump.

Waiting until they're almost or officially out of the playoffs or at the trade deadline is nothing but wasting valuable time. They need to scrap the plan of status quo and start being proactive now whether they are in a position to make a playoff run or not.

I'd like to see this team finally realize it's true potential sooner rather than later.
yaktalksback
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.10.2013

Mar 17 @ 4:18 PM ET
Offtopic...Brennan went to Flor for a 5th rounder...what is going on in Buf? That is one of the worst trades I've seen in a long time.

He is going to be a stud. IMO a prospect near the level of Klefbom. Just watch this guy take off with an opportunity in the next couple seasons.

A guy we should have been all over. Sweariously, what was Tambo doing? What does he do?

How to heck am I (and many posters) able to identify prospects and players better than most gm's? I seriously think you get those jobs more based on networking skills and contacts over actual ability.
munky123
Montreal Canadiens
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 05.10.2011

Mar 17 @ 4:27 PM ET
Interesting. Horton has concussion problems which I think lowers his value a bit, but he is worth more than smid. Yakupov and hamilton's worth might almost be considered a wash. I want to lean and say yak is worth more in vale due to draft status, but not sure how much water that holds to be honest. I would strongly consider this. But would be afraid of Horton not resigning and smid loving it on Boston on a winnig team. So yak and smid for Hamilton is not worth it.

I'd do yak and a pick for seguin. Seguin plays Wing anyways. So Boston fills a hole.


Edit: this allows us to use gagner and hemsky and maybe smid to get a winger with top 6 grit.

- ystoil


No way boston does yak and a pick for seguin. I think u under value seguin. Just my opinion. I watch a lot of bruin games and the guy is a conplete stud! While ive said it a million times I think letting go of say yak and the oils 1st this year might not be a bad thing, I think the oil need a bit of size on the 1line and def + vet leadership instesd of a gyy like seguin. Maybe a tender as well.

Some people mention st louis. How about halak? Could maybe package him in with someone.
munky123
Montreal Canadiens
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 05.10.2011

Mar 17 @ 4:29 PM ET
If we trade Yak, we need to get a more proven player than Hamilton.
- Reveen


Unproven for proven? How does that work?
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Mar 17 @ 4:34 PM ET
No way boston does yak and a pick for seguin. I think u under value seguin. Just my opinion. I watch a lot of bruin games and the guy is a conplete stud! While ive said it a million times I think letting go of say yak and the oils 1st this year might not be a bad thing, I think the oil need a bit of size on the 1line and def + vet leadership instesd of a gyy like seguin. Maybe a tender as well.

Some people mention st louis. How about halak? Could maybe package him in with someone.

- munky123


You could argue I undervalued seguin a bit but it wasn't a ridiculous or low ball offer. I've watched seguin a bit to and I have noticed he can be a bit invisible however he's never been terrible. He also has the ability to take a game over.

Halak would be a great pickup. Like all oiler fans, I want Stewart. He is what we need.
yaktalksback
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.10.2013

Mar 17 @ 4:38 PM ET
If we trade Yak, we need to get a more proven player than Hamilton.
- Reveen


At this point Hamilton is worth more and proven more IMO, and I love Yak.

Hamilton is living up to the hype. Timing is not right for this type of trade.
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Mar 17 @ 4:42 PM ET
Unproven for proven? How does that work?
- munky123


By that logic yak won't get you so someone like dupuis who is a proven player. Yak would fetch certain players. Stamkos 4 years ago would too, before his 50 goal season.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Mar 17 @ 4:43 PM ET
Unproven for proven? How does that work?
- munky123


First of all, go suck rutager off.

Second, Edmonton doesn't need to be trading prospect for prospect. If anything a prospect for proven player would be more beneficial
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Mar 17 @ 4:44 PM ET
At this point Hamilton is worth more and proven more IMO, and I love Yak.

Hamilton is living up to the hype.

- yaktalksback

yaktalksback
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.10.2013

Mar 17 @ 4:46 PM ET

- Reveen


Go ahead and post a Yakupov for Hamilton proposal on the BOS threads if you think that. See what happens. Guy has been everything they were hoping for and more. No way Bos even thinks about trading Hamilton for Yakupov at this point.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 17 @ 5:26 PM ET
Go ahead and post a Yakupov for Hamilton proposal on the BOS threads if you think that. See what happens. Guy has been everything they were hoping for and more. No way Bos even thinks about trading Hamilton for Yakupov at this point.
- yaktalksback




Good.


ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Mar 17 @ 5:29 PM ET
First of all, go suck rutager off.

Second, Edmonton doesn't need to be trading prospect for prospect. If anything a prospect for proven player would be more beneficial

- Reveen

Hey why are you bringing me into this ya stupid Richard?
You are quickly gonna move from best poster with the nicest hair to the second best with average hair at best, if you keep this up sir.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Mar 17 @ 5:32 PM ET
Go ahead and post a Yakupov for Hamilton proposal on the BOS threads if you think that. See what happens. Guy has been everything they were hoping for and more. No way Bos even thinks about trading Hamilton for Yakupov at this point.
- yaktalksback


Is it just me or does Dougie Hamilton look like he's always holding in a really bad soon-to-be diarrhea explosion?
munky123
Montreal Canadiens
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 05.10.2011

Mar 17 @ 6:07 PM ET
First of all, go suck rutager off.

Second, Edmonton doesn't need to be trading prospect for prospect. If anything a prospect for proven player would be more beneficial

- Reveen



Yes!! Could be a good time! Could alway use a clean up guy tho, you want the job?? you seem to be in the iq range of the type of person that would say yes to such a job.

Well your statement is some what correct. I think its copletely plausible for an organization to trade 1 prospect for another. One that fits their organizational needs better. Thats why people make trades in case you didn't know.

You have pointed out plenty of times whst the team lscks. Don't get me wrong I know yaks has grewt potential. But to get a great potential dman for a potential scorer at this juncture of their careers, I think ill take the dman because of this teams needs. Thats because I'm confident that hall eberle nuge, +the peeps they get for hemsky and gagne (theyll round out the bottom 9) youll get geat scoring. They could use d help. Think whata guy like pk or letang bring to the team. You have schultz and a guy like hamilton could do together. I would even entertain a yak for gally trade. We could use potential #1 winger, u guys a potential #1 c. Actually I don't think I'd that one. Hehe

5v5 the oil are terrible, and they have terrible back end scoring. To develop a defenceman in the long run imo will be far more benificial that what yaks will bring. This is with regards to bringing ina prospect like hamilton. Yaks and edm 1st could be an incredible package. ( for way for more than hamilton obviously)

What makes u partly right is that the oil if they did trade him I would hope go for more a vet and prospect. Who the (frank) knows for sure anyways.. its my meaningless opinion.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Mar 17 @ 6:13 PM ET
Yes!! Could be a good time! Could alway use a clean up guy tho, you want the job?? you seem to be in the iq range of the type of person that would say yes to such a job.

Well your statement is some what correct. I think its copletely plausible for an organization to trade 1 prospect for another. One that fits their organizational needs better. Thats why people make trades in case you didn't know.

You have pointed out plenty of times whst the team lscks. Don't get me wrong I know yaks has grewt potential. But to get a great potential dman for a potential scorer at this juncture of their careers, I think ill take the dman because of this teams needs. Thats because I'm confident that hall eberle nuge, +the peeps they get for hemsky and gagne (theyll round out the bottom 9) youll get geat scoring. They could use d help. Think whata guy like pk or letang bring to the team. You have schultz and a guy like hamilton could do together. I would even entertain a yak for gally trade. We could use potential #1 winger, u guys a potential #1 c. Actually I don't think I'd that one. Hehe

5v5 the oil are terrible, and they have terrible back end scoring. To develop a defenceman in the long run imo will be far more benificial that what yaks will bring. This is with regards to bringing ina prospect like hamilton. Yaks and edm 1st could be an incredible package. ( for way for more than hamilton obviously)

What makes u partly right is that the oil if they did trade him I would hope go for more a vet and prospect. Who the (frank) knows for sure anyways.. its my meaningless opinion.

- munky123

Just for the record since everyone is trying to gay it up around here (not that there is anything wrong with that) the "it" in suck it, officially refers to munky's choice of a popsicle, fudgsicle, or a sucker, but only the green, yellow and orange ones cause the red and purple ones are mine (frank)ers.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Mar 17 @ 6:15 PM ET
Hey why are you bringing me into this ya stupid Richard?
You are quickly gonna move from best poster with the nicest hair to the second best with average hair at best, if you keep this up sir.

- ruttager17


Aren't you the one always telling him to "suck it"?
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Mar 17 @ 6:15 PM ET
Go ahead and post a Yakupov for Hamilton proposal on the BOS threads if you think that. See what happens. Guy has been everything they were hoping for and more. No way Bos even thinks about trading Hamilton for Yakupov at this point.
- yaktalksback


Exactly! Look around the league and count the elite (or even potentially) 2 way , multi-dimensional defencemen than are either mean as hell or brilliant positionally, can skate, make the first pass, quarterback the powerplay or fire bombs from the point. How many can you count? 6?...7? Now look out offensively gifted, small, yet speedy wingers than can put up points but won't ever win a Selke, how many are there? Hell the Oilers have 3 of them, players like Yak, who is going to be great,are not nearly as uncommon.Wouldn't call them dime a dozen, but not the rare Gem a guy like Hamilton looks to be.

To go back that earlier comparison, If I were gearing up for a run at the deadline and had a choice of a Pronger in his prime or 3 healthy Bure's...I'de still go for Pronger 100% of the time!
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Mar 17 @ 6:15 PM ET
Go ahead and post a Yakupov for Hamilton proposal on the BOS threads if you think that. See what happens. Guy has been everything they were hoping for and more. No way Bos even thinks about trading Hamilton for Yakupov at this point.
- yaktalksback


Exactly! Look around the league and count the elite (or even potentially) 2 way , multi-dimensional defencemen than are either mean as hell or brilliant positionally, can skate, make the first pass, quarterback the powerplay or fire bombs from the point. How many can you count? 6?...7? Now look out offensively gifted, small, yet speedy wingers than can put up points but won't ever win a Selke, how many are there? Hell the Oilers have 3 of them, players like Yak, who is going to be great,are not nearly as uncommon.Wouldn't call them dime a dozen, but not the rare Gem a guy like Hamilton looks to be.

To go back that earlier comparison, If I were gearing up for a run at the deadline and had a choice of a Pronger in his prime or 3 healthy Bure's...I'de still go for Pronger 100% of the time!
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Mar 17 @ 6:16 PM ET
Just for the record since everyone is trying to gay it up around here (not that there is anything wrong with that) the "it" in suck it, officially refers to munky's choice of a popsicle, fudgsicle, or a sucker, but only the green, yellow and orange ones cause the red and purple ones are mine (frank)ers.

- ruttager17


Now you tell me
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Mar 17 @ 6:16 PM ET
Go ahead and post a Yakupov for Hamilton proposal on the BOS threads if you think that. See what happens. Guy has been everything they were hoping for and more. No way Bos even thinks about trading Hamilton for Yakupov at this point.
- yaktalksback


Exactly! Look around the league and count the elite (or even potentially) 2 way , multi-dimensional defencemen than are either mean as hell or brilliant positionally, can skate, make the first pass, quarterback the powerplay or fire bombs from the point. How many can you count? 6?...7? Now look out offensively gifted, small, yet speedy wingers than can put up points but won't ever win a Selke, how many are there? Hell the Oilers have 3 of them, players like Yak, who is going to be great,are not nearly as uncommon.Wouldn't call them dime a dozen, but not the rare Gem a guy like Hamilton looks to be.

To go back that earlier comparison, If I were gearing up for a run at the deadline and had a choice of a Pronger in his prime or 3 healthy Bure's...I'de still go for Pronger 100% of the time!
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Mar 17 @ 6:18 PM ET
Yes!! Could be a good time! Could alway use a clean up guy tho, you want the job?? you seem to be in the iq range of the type of person that would say yes to such a job.

Well your statement is some what correct. I think its copletely plausible for an organization to trade 1 prospect for another. One that fits their organizational needs better. Thats why people make trades in case you didn't know.

You have pointed out plenty of times whst the team lscks. Don't get me wrong I know yaks has grewt potential. But to get a great potential dman for a potential scorer at this juncture of their careers, I think ill take the dman because of this teams needs. Thats because I'm confident that hall eberle nuge, +the peeps they get for hemsky and gagne (theyll round out the bottom 9) youll get geat scoring. They could use d help. Think whata guy like pk or letang bring to the team. You have schultz and a guy like hamilton could do together. I would even entertain a yak for gally trade. We could use potential #1 winger, u guys a potential #1 c. Actually I don't think I'd that one. Hehe

5v5 the oil are terrible, and they have terrible back end scoring. To develop a defenceman in the long run imo will be far more benificial that what yaks will bring. This is with regards to bringing ina prospect like hamilton. Yaks and edm 1st could be an incredible package. ( for way for more than hamilton obviously)

What makes u partly right is that the oil if they did trade him I would hope go for more a vet and prospect. Who the (frank) knows for sure anyways.. its my meaningless opinion.

- munky123


If we planned on trading Yakupov for Hamilton then we should have drafted Ryan "muthafucking" Murray in the first place.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Mar 17 @ 6:19 PM ET
Aren't you the one always telling him to "suck it"?
- Reveen

Only when I am Fist!!!
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Mar 17 @ 6:19 PM ET
Exactly! Look around the league and count the elite (or even potentially) 2 way , multi-dimensional defencemen than are either mean as hell or brilliant positionally, can skate, make the first pass, quarterback the powerplay or fire bombs from the point. How many can you count? 6?...7? Now look out offensively gifted, small, yet speedy wingers than can put up points but won't ever win a Selke, how many are there? Hell the Oilers have 3 of them, players like Yak, who is going to be great,are not nearly as uncommon.Wouldn't call them dime a dozen, but not the rare Gem a guy like Hamilton looks to be.

To go back that earlier comparison, If I were gearing up for a run at the deadline and had a choice of a Pronger in his prime or 3 healthy Bure's...I'de still go for Pronger 100% of the time!

- Jeropotato


Dougie Hamilton is not Chris Pronger and Nail Yakupov is not Pavel Bure.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Mar 17 @ 6:20 PM ET
Only when I am Fist!!!
- ruttager17


Is popsicle code for "cock"?
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Mar 17 @ 6:21 PM ET
Offtopic...Brennan went to Flor for a 5th rounder...what is going on in Buf? That is one of the worst trades I've seen in a long time.

He is going to be a stud. IMO a prospect near the level of Klefbom. Just watch this guy take off with an opportunity in the next couple seasons.

A guy we should have been all over. Sweariously, what was Tambo doing? What does he do?

How to heck am I (and many posters) able to identify prospects and players better than most gm's? I seriously think you get those jobs more based on networking skills and contacts over actual ability.

- yaktalksback


Um Brennan is not great. He's Corry Potter. He is not going to upgrade our D. So why give up a pick for basically something we already have.
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