(frank) Ebs. Gotta bury a chance like that.
- Iggysbff

i look at the roll mtl's been on. confidence is so huge for these guys. they're obviously healthier than last year etc..but first in the east? no way

ebs in a slump right now and struggling abit. he'dve buried that 10 times outta 10 last year

Exactly. If we had picked seguin, landeskog and gally, people would be saying the same thing.
- ystoil

Your probably right, but I find those three better than hall, nuge, yak. But you really cant evaluate properly for another 5 years.
I would have been annoyed if you guys took murray over yak or gally. i think clb dropped the ball passing over gally. i got to watch yak and gally a lot for sarnia and gally looks like he has the makings of being a super star. yak is really skilled and dynamic, but i think gally will transistion to to pro game better. His work ethic is incredible.

(frank) Ebs. Gotta bury a chance like that.
- Iggysbff

Rinne is a god. But damn Hall-Nuge-Ebs are snakebitten. SH%'s of 7.2-3.3-7.5 respectively. Maybe if some luck comes their way EDM'll win a few games in a row

Your probably right, but I find those three better than hall, nuge, yak. But you really cant evaluate properly for another 5 years.
I would have been annoyed if you guys took murray over yak or gally. i think clb dropped the ball passing over gally. i got to watch yak and gally a lot for sarnia and gally looks like he has the makings of being a super star. yak is really skilled and dynamic, but i think gally will transistion to to pro game better. His work ethic is incredible.
- pbrsimps

totally different players, but seguin aint better than hall in neither stats nor the type of game hall brings for us that seguin never could.
ive always thought it was close (still do), but the more i watch hall this year, the more im sure we made the right pick.

nuge and landeskog are totally different players. id love the leadership and physical play gabriel has, but the nuge is hopefully gonna be our 1 center for years to come. u dont pass up on that. at the end of the day id be happy to have landeskog as well. but im happy with the decision the oilers made.

yaks and gally?..ill reserve judgement for awhile.

mark FISTHRIC

Your probably right, but I find those three better than hall, nuge, yak. But you really cant evaluate properly for another 5 years.
I would have been annoyed if you guys took murray over yak or gally. i think clb dropped the ball passing over gally. i got to watch yak and gally a lot for sarnia and gally looks like he has the makings of being a super star. yak is really skilled and dynamic, but i think gally will transistion to to pro game better. His work ethic is incredible.
- pbrsimps

Seguin plays for a better team and has less points than Hall. Hall at this point>Seguin. Nuge has different value then Landeskog. But Nuge's production hasnt been there so at this point Landy>Nuge. Yak and Gally have been in the league 27 and 28 games and have the same points. Can't say who's better right now. Yak=Gally

Seguin plays for a better team and has less points than Hall. Hall at this point>Seguin. Nuge has different value then Landeskog. But Nuge's production hasnt been there so at this point Landy>Nuge. Yak and Gally have been in the league 27 and 28 games and have the same points. Can't say who's better right now. Yak=Gally
- TheNugeIsHuge

See I think Seguin and Hall are a wash IMO. If the Oilers had drafted Seguin over Hall then Seguin would have more points at this point in their careers. It has a lot to do with the teams they are on. Seguins rookie year he was sheltered by the coaching staff and management and was only able to produce 11-11-22 totals, where Hall was given the keys to the car, so to speak. Hall has Seguin beat in point totals, but I think Seguin has Hall beat in other intangibles like knowing what it takes to win and being battle tested. By that I mean Seguin knows what it takes to win in the post season.

See I think Seguin and Hall are a wash IMO. If the Oilers had drafted Seguin over Hall then Seguin would have more points at this point in their careers. It has a lot to do with the teams they are on. Seguins rookie year he was sheltered by the coaching staff and management and was only able to produce 11-11-22 totals, where Hall was given the keys to the car, so to speak. Hall has Seguin beat in point totals, but I think Seguin has Hall beat in other intangibles like knowing what it takes to win and being battle tested. By that I mean Seguin knows what it takes to win in the post season.
- fudd1689

i can totally see someone thinking its a wash or very close. it very well may be.

just not sure about your logic.
because seguin happened to be drafted by an elite team that won a cup in his rookie year, he knows how to win and hall doesnt?

what about in junior when hall won back to back memorial cups and was an MVP of one of them? seguin didnt have alot of team success when he was the go to guy.

im also not sure seguin woulda had a way better career thus far on the oilers. hall for the most part is a self starter offensively. especially in his rookie year. he had NO ONE. hes all battle.
whereas seguin is a little more perimeter and cerebral. not a knock at all on him. just different

i can totally see someone thinking its a wash or very close. it very well may be.

just not sure about your logic.
because seguin happened to be drafted by an elite team that won a cup in his rookie year, he knows how to win and hall doesnt?

what about in junior when hall won back to back memorial cups and was an MVP of one of them? seguin didnt have alot of team success when he was the go to guy.

im also not sure seguin woulda had a way better career thus far on the oilers. hall for the most part is a self starter offensively. especially in his rookie year. he had NO ONE. hes all battle.
whereas seguin is a little more perimeter and cerebral. not a knock at all on him. just different
- hugefemale dog77

MVP of both memorial cups I believe.

See I think Seguin and Hall are a wash IMO. If the Oilers had drafted Seguin over Hall then Seguin would have more points at this point in their careers. It has a lot to do with the teams they are on. Seguins rookie year he was sheltered by the coaching staff and management and was only able to produce 11-11-22 totals, where Hall was given the keys to the car, so to speak. Hall has Seguin beat in point totals, but I think Seguin has Hall beat in other intangibles like knowing what it takes to win and being battle tested. By that I mean Seguin knows what it takes to win in the post season.
- fudd1689

I don't think Seguin's 10P in 20 playoff games, show he knows how to win in the playoffs. Hall won Memorial Cup MVP twice in a row. I'd say that's fairly even.

MVP of both memorial cups I believe.
- abware

bam!

Props to Paajarvi! The boys balls have dropped!!!

i can totally see someone thinking its a wash or very close. it very well may be.

just not sure about your logic.
because seguin happened to be drafted by an elite team that won a cup in his rookie year, he knows how to win and hall doesnt?

what about in junior when hall won back to back memorial cups and was an MVP of one of them? seguin didnt have alot of team success when he was the go to guy.

im also not sure seguin woulda had a way better career thus far on the oilers. hall for the most part is a self starter offensively. especially in his rookie year. he had NO ONE. hes all battle.
whereas seguin is a little more perimeter and cerebral. not a knock at all on him. just different
- hugefemale dog77

Understandable, I was looking at it from a perspective of at the NHL level. Seguin was fortunate enough to win the cup his rookie year and play another postseason last year. He was able to learn from veterans like Recchi, Chara, Bergeron on what it takes to succeed in the postseason.

bam!
- hugefemale dog77

totally different players, but seguin aint better than hall in neither stats nor the type of game hall brings for us that seguin never could.
ive always thought it was close (still do), but the more i watch hall this year, the more im sure we made the right pick.

nuge and landeskog are totally different players. id love the leadership and physical play gabriel has, but the nuge is hopefully gonna be our 1 center for years to come. u dont pass up on that. at the end of the day id be happy to have landeskog as well. but im happy with the decision the oilers made.

yaks and gally?..ill reserve judgement for awhile.
- hugefemale dog77

Agreed with basically everything you say. Hall has really stepped his game up, though seguin has to really fight for minutes in boston. Not many ppl would have selected langeskog over nuge, though so far langeskog has proved more valuable. Yak and gally you cant say yet. (you really cant say for any of them for awhile)

Understandable, I was looking at it from a perspective of at the NHL level. Seguin was fortunate enough to win the cup his rookie year and play another postseason last year. He was able to learn from veterans like Recchi, Chara, Bergeron on what it takes to succeed in the postseason.
- fudd1689

For sure, Seguin is in an enviable position for a top draft pick, not having to go through the losing and growing pains most top 5 picks go through. But who knows, it could hurt his development as things come easier to him. (I don't think it will as most of these kids have unreal work ethic) Hall will learn what it takes to win and he will know how hard it is, nothing is coming easy to him, except maybe top 6 minutes, but he has earned them. Both look to have elite careers ahead of them and each team is lucky to have either of them. I personally am happy with Hall and his skill set he brings to the Oilers, but I'm sure if the Oil had taken Seguin I'd be just as happy with him.

i can totally see someone thinking its a wash or very close. it very well may be.

just not sure about your logic.
because seguin happened to be drafted by an elite team that won a cup in his rookie year, he knows how to win and hall doesnt?

what about in junior when hall won back to back memorial cups and was an MVP of one of them? seguin didnt have alot of team success when he was the go to guy.

im also not sure seguin woulda had a way better career thus far on the oilers. hall for the most part is a self starter offensively. especially in his rookie year. he had NO ONE. hes all battle.
whereas seguin is a little more perimeter and cerebral. not a knock at all on him. just different
- hugefemale dog77

Seguin would have had better offensive number (than being in boston) if he was drafted by edm. Just because he got third line minutes and no power play time. Also had to be reliable defensivly where in edm, the rebuild was happening and winning wasnt top priority. Also Hall came in with eberle, who had a very solid rookie year. Also guys like gagner and hemsky were established, so i wouldnt say no one.

this

unless ur very certain the kids gonna develop and be a stud, (which is next to impossible outside of the crosbys etc), you go with BPA. which was yakupov for sure.

it's more fun for the haters to point out possible failures than the successes. so the fact that yaks hasnt been the best rookie thus far gives the trolls nothing but glee.
25 games in, id maybe consider a few other guys at that spot, but to say unequivocally we took the wrong guy is wayyy off.

his potential is undeniable, so hopefully he continues to develop and figures it out. the flashes of brilliance have certainly been there. now he just need sort out the pro game and sustain them.

i only have to think about eberle's rookie year in comparison to his sophmore and remember that development isnt the same for every player. stamkos' first half season??
- hugefemale dog77

Yes I agree but I'm talking about the position. Edm arguably didn't need another winger. If they didn't hsve eberle hall and nuge fine tske yaks.. but becsuse edm neeed s srud d or help up the middle I think it was the wrong pick. Nothing against yak. Having more stud defenceman I thibk is far more benificial thst have a yak type.. look at the caps. Perfect example of what the oil don't want to become. Need d.

Seguin would have had better offensive number (than being in boston) if he was drafted by edm. Just because he got third line minutes and no power play time. Also had to be reliable defensivly where in edm, the rebuild was happening and winning wasnt top priority. Also Hall came in with eberle, who had a very solid rookie year. Also guys like gagner and hemsky were established, so i wouldnt say no one.
- pbrsimps

well is hemsky better than chara is gagner better than bergeron no???

For sure, Seguin is in an enviable position for a top draft pick, not having to go through the losing and growing pains most top 5 picks go through. But who knows, it could hurt his development as things come easier to him. (I don't think it will as most of these kids have unreal work ethic) Hall will learn what it takes to win and he will know how hard it is, nothing is coming easy to him, except maybe top 6 minutes, but he has earned them. Both look to have elite careers ahead of them and each team is lucky to have either of them. I personally am happy with Hall and his skill set he brings to the Oilers, but I'm sure if the Oil had taken Seguin I'd be just as happy with him.
- abware

Couldn't agree more, I am extremely excited with Seguin and I would have loved Hall on this team if it fell that way. I think Hall is one of the best young players in the game same with Seguin. Both players will have long productive careers, it's just too bad they're not in the same division so we could see a healthy rivalry. I will admit that Hall has already shown incredible leadership qualities something Seguin has not. Seguin has the ability to hide behind guys like Chara, Bergeron ect. when things get tough for the team.

i look at the roll mtl's been on. confidence is so huge for these guys. they're obviously healthier than last year etc..but first in the east? no way

ebs in a slump right now and struggling abit. he'dve buried that 10 times outta 10 last year
- hugefemale dog77

1st in the east THIS year is possible becsuse the team team is playing to its potentisl and our d has a lot to do with that. All the peeps hating on subban were dead wrong. Soo wrong its funny. 29 teams would be after this guy if he were available. The team is #1 becsuse they score 3.19 goals a game.. thats not a fluke b patchs, pleks, gallagher, prust deserve a ton of credit.

Ebs will for sure turn it around. As long as the team keeps it up he pots or 2 hes going to light it up.

Seguin would have had better offensive number (than being in boston) if he was drafted by edm. Just because he got third line minutes and no power play time. Also had to be reliable defensivly where in edm, the rebuild was happening and winning wasnt top priority. Also Hall came in with eberle, who had a very solid rookie year. Also guys like gagner and hemsky were established, so i wouldnt say no one.
- pbrsimps

eberle was a non factor for huge periods in his rookie year. i knew he had skills, but if one was to ask if hed blow up for 76 last year after his rookie year, ida said no.
and gags was... well... gagner pre 2013. not the developed player u see now.
either way, he certainly didnt have chara, horton, krejci, bergeron, lucic etc etc but i see ur point.

i can agree that seguin would have done better than 22 pts he got, but not as good as hall did imo.
id even say the same thing 3 years in. halls style of play is so much more conducive to self success with being surrounded by a small top 6 and a pretty bad team.

well is hemsky better than chara is gagner better than bergeron no???
- eoil90

lol you have amazing powers of induction my friend, i didnt even know i was saying gagner and hemsky was better than chara and bergeron! But now that i read my post, i can see that i did.. oh wait, nevermind, i didnt say anything of the sort. Thanks for coming out!

If you read what i wrote, i merely said seguin would have had better offensive numbers if he was drafted by oil instead of boston. This was because he would have had top pp minutes and play 20 min a game instead of whatever he was playing in boston. Also, he would be free to play a more offensive geared game instead of solid defensively in boston. Surely you cant disagee with this.

Then i disagreed with the person who said Hall had literally NO ONE to play with, which i think is untrue. he didnt have as many good players as seguin (which hindered seguin's icetime and opportunity) but he still played with talented players. i would define no one as what crosby and ovechkin came into the league with.
So no where did i even suggest that gagner and hemsky were better than chara and bergeron

I don't think Seguin's 10P in 20 playoff games, show he knows how to win in the playoffs. Hall won Memorial Cup MVP twice in a row. I'd say that's fairly even.
- TheNugeIsHuge

I wasn't talking just from a statistical standpoint. Seguin was able to learn from Chara, Bergeron, Recchi and others on how to prepare for the playoffs both on and off the ice. Learning the mentality it takes to win in pressure situation at the NHL level where the talent level is higher and margin for error is small.

1st in the east THIS year is possible becsuse the team team is playing to its potentisl and our d has a lot to do with that. All the peeps hating on subban were dead wrong. Soo wrong its funny. 29 teams would be after this guy if he were available. The team is #1 becsuse they score 3.19 goals a game.. thats not a fluke b patchs, pleks, gallagher, prust deserve a ton of credit.

Ebs will for sure turn it around. As long as the team keeps it up he pots or 2 hes going to light it up.
- munky123

i think people hated on subbans personality. u just had to watch him to know he has skillz though.
i can agree that peeps may have underestimated how good he was due to not seein him alot, but anyone who said he was no good at all is an idiot.

i think theyre playing on fire right now and have so much confidence currently. but i really dont think theyre near the best team in the east. in fact, i dont think theyre even in the top 3.
just my opinion