To me it is Subban. He leads in scoring despite missing 6 games, his team is in first place, everybody boos him on the road because he is public enemy #1 because he is so dam good. Letang is brittle, Weber is not having a Norris season, Chara does not match up to PK, and I think Suter is the only dman that can challenge PK this year.
Suter plays half of every game but overall is boring compared to PK.
- flyerdude17

Flawless reasoning.

I forgot to take into account that being boring takes you out of consideration.

How the hell do you figure?
- blarneylad

I don't figure, bud. The figures figure.

I just point em out for you folks with your blinders on.

But don't let me bother you, you probably have Subban hits to watch on youtube.

Flawless reasoning.

I forgot to take into account that being boring takes you out of consideration.
- TommyDeVito

Dude not sure why you are so worked up about this topic. Suter will probly win the trophy. Subban may deserve a nod though.

When Subban is on the ice, the puck is rarely in the habs zone because he moves the puck quick with a pass or he brings it up himself. Guy is unreal important to the habs who sit currently in 2nd large part due to the PP that he runs along side Markov

Source?

Oh, wait, you're not into that sort of thing, you like to go with what YOU see, what YOUR gut tells you....


- TommyDeVito

i saw an interview a while back but im not gonna bother going to look for it just to prove a stubborn fan wrong, trust me i'm not the only one in here who can see you definetly have a Bias against subban

how come you didnt answer why its ok for Karlsson to be considered best D in the world despite not playing shutdown minutes and only going on offense?

you're just trolling

so from now on when you answer i'm just gonna reply with this question you've avoided

I don't figure, bud. The figures figure.

I just point em out for you folks with your blinders on.

But don't let me bother you, you probably have Subban hits to watch on youtube.
- TommyDeVito

Holy poop sam. you really hate subban?

Relax, he won't win. I won't argue that. You are right he doesn't deserve the win. But he is quickly turning into a guy who will be considered this year and upcoming years

First off, how many guys get nominated?

And if not Subban who should be nominated?

Ryan Suter for sure. But I need at least two other names
- blarneylad

Suter has 28 points, but he plays 27 minutes a night, while Subban has 30 pts while playing 22min. Therefore, Subban is more effective.. He should win the Norris.







(Yes, that's sarcasm)

Dude not sure why you are so worked up about this topic. Suter will probly win the trophy. Subban may deserve a nod though.
When Subban is on the ice, the puck is rarely in the habs zone because he moves the puck quick with a pass or he brings it up himself. Guy is unreal important to the habs who sit currently in 2nd large part due to the PP that he runs along side Markov
- blarneylad

which is something he refuses no matter what

i saw an interview a while back but im not gonna bother going to look for it just to prove a stubborn fan wrong, trust me i'm not the only one in here who can see you definetly have a Bias against subban

how come you didnt answer why its ok for Karlsson to be considered best D in the world despite not playing shutdown minutes and only going on offense?

you're just trolling
- Habitants98

Dude Subban just leads the NHL in points by a defensemen. But they don't really count because they happen on the PP.

Suter has 28 points, but he plays 27 minutes a night, while Subban has 30 pts while playing 22min. Therefore, Subban is more effective.. He should win the Norris.







(Yes, that's sarcasm)
- _nay_

Read my other posts. I'm giving my nod to Suter.

Child, please. There were at least 4 defensemen better than Chara last year.
- TommyDeVito

4? who...please don't say Karllson..that guy shouldnt be allowed in his own end he's so soft...looks like a little boy out there with men!!!!

Sures he good offensively but in his end he plays like a

Read my other posts. I'm giving my nod to Suter.


- blarneylad

I know, he'll probably get it.

Dude Subban just leads the NHL in points by a defensemen. But they don't really count because they happen on the PP.
- blarneylad

Also in Goals by a defenceman, most on PP anyways, so they don't count either.

Dude Subban just leads the NHL in points by a defensemen. But they don't really count because they happen on the PP.
- blarneylad

yup

4? who...please don't say Karllson..that guy shouldnt be allowed in his own end he's so soft...looks like a little boy out there with men!!!!

Sures he good offensively but in his end he plays like a
- Garnie

I would agree if we were talking about a 45-50 pts soft defenseman like Goligoski... but we're talking about a PPG defenseman. That certainly deserves a nod.

i saw an interview a while back but im not gonna bother going to look for it just to prove a stubborn fan wrong, trust me i'm not the only one in here who can see you definetly have a Bias against subban

how come you didnt answer why its ok for Karlsson to be considered best D in the world despite not playing shutdown minutes and only going on offense?
you're just trolling
- Habitants98

I'm not trolling, you're just being a baby because I'm telling you things you son't wanna hear.

As for that ignorant statement I bolded, here is why Karlsson was considered the best D in the world last year:



See how Karlsson and Kuba pairing is higher than anyone else? that mean they played against the bst quality of competition, and seeing as how EK65 was +16 with 50 even strength points while doing that, you can see why he was far and away the best D. Or maybe you can't, I don't know. I'm just trying to help you see.

Here's some more reading material for you:

https://e9b8db0d-a-62cb3a...WJn4IhM%3D&attredirects=0

I'm not trolling, you're just being a baby because I'm telling you things you son't wanna hear.

As for that ignorant statement I bolded, here is why Karlsson was considered the best D in the world last year:



See how Karlsson and Kuba pairing is higher than anyone else? that mean they played against the bst quality of competition, and seeing as how EK65 was +16 with 50 even strength points while doing that, you can see why he was far and away the best D. Or maybe you can't, I don't know. I'm just trying to help you see.

Here's some more reading material for you:

https://e9b8db0d-a-62cb3a...WJn4IhM%3D&attredirects=0
- TommyDeVito

Subban is +12 through 31 games while also playing against top lines.

just so no one has to go back to the last 3 pages here's a summary of TommyDeVito's logic:

Subban shouldnt even get a nod for the Norris because he doesnt play shutdown minutes (apparently) and doesnt play as many minutes as the other top D in the league (and despite having more points, this is a bad thing) and he shouldnt win it based on only his offense (since thats all he's good for even though the points dont count because its on the PP)

on the other hand

Karlsson is the best D in the world because he won the Norris (pretty much only based on his offense) despite the fact that everyone knows he's not a shutdown D and he's not great in his own zone

i see no problem with this........

........

......

Holy poop sam. you really hate subban?

Relax, he won't win. I won't argue that. You are right he doesn't deserve the win. But he is quickly turning into a guy who will be considered in upcoming years
- blarneylad

Fixed that for you.

I'm not trolling, you're just being a baby because I'm telling you things you son't wanna hear.

As for that ignorant statement I bolded, here is why Karlsson was considered the best D in the world last year:



See how Karlsson and Kuba pairing is higher than anyone else? that mean they played against the bst quality of competition, and seeing as how EK65 was +16 with 50 even strength points while doing that, you can see why he was far and away the best D. Or maybe you can't, I don't know. I'm just trying to help you see.

Here's some more reading material for you:

https://e9b8db0d-a-62cb3a...WJn4IhM%3D&attredirects=0
- TommyDeVito

(your sites dont work for me at work, and i can't see whatever pic you posted)

so what you're saying is Karlsson is a shutdown D

just so no one has to go back to the last 3 pages here's a summary of TommyDeVito's logic:

Subban shouldnt even get a nod for the Norris because he doesnt play shutdown minutes (apparently) and doesnt play as many minutes as the other top D in the league (and despite having more points, this is a bad thing) and he shouldnt win it based on only his offense

on the other hand

Karlsson is the best D in the world because he won the Norris (pretty much only based on his offense) despite the fact that everyone knows he's not a shutdown D and he's not great in his own zone

i see no problem with this........

........

......
- Habitants98

this is a fair analysis of the "discussion" so far

Subban is +12 through 31 games while also playing against top lines.
- God_then_kovy

no that can't be accurate

Subban is +12 through 31 games while also playing against top lines.
- God_then_kovy

While playing against third line quality players. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the stats I'm showing you?

If you want to call Rob Vollum a liar, go ahead. I don't care. I'm just showing you his carefully prepared figures, done up by people who know more about hockey and are generally far more intelligent than you'll ever be, but no, you're right, they're wrong.

I'm done. You people are all too in love with his flashy game to bother reading what I've given you.

The criteria for awarding the Norris is flawed...but being what it is, Subban deserves it as much as Karlsson did last year. I still hope he doesn't win it.

While playing against third line quality players. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the stats I'm showing you?

If you want to call Rob Vollum a liar, go ahead. I don't care. I'm just showing you his carefully prepared figures, done up by people who know more about hockey and are generally far more intelligent than you'll ever be, but no, you're right, they're wrong.

I'm done. You people are all too in love with his flashy game to bother reading what I've given you.
- TommyDeVito

The problem Tommy, is you're basing all your arguments on "numbers" on a chart. There are tons of intangibles in a game. Still you have this notion that he is playing against third liners in all his games. WATCH the games.

While playing against third line quality players. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the stats I'm showing you?

If you want to call Rob Vollum a liar, go ahead. I don't care. I'm just showing you his carefully prepared figures, done up by people who know more about hockey and are generally far more intelligent than you'll ever be, but no, you're right, they're wrong.

I'm done. You people are all too in love with his flashy game to bother reading what I've given you.
- TommyDeVito

How many habs games have you watched to say that Subban faces third liners? We've told you many times that in his first 5-7 games he was eased into the lineup playing alongside Bouillion on the 3rd pairing and has since been facing the other team's top lines. Him and Gorges are out there in the final minute of 1 goal games just as much as Markov/Emelin. You're just blinded by your hate.