"Give me your tired, your overpaid, your over 35 FA's yearning for one more five year contract."

Homer.
- 77rams

How dare he try to address this team's most glaring need without giving up top value.

if you could do it again, Coots or Dougie Hamilton ?
- MrBigglesworth

Now that everything is Streitened out Coots

if you could do it again, Coots or Dougie Hamilton ?
- MrBigglesworth

Coots.

But ask me again in three years.

if you could do it again, Coots or Dougie Hamilton ?
- MrBigglesworth

Put it this way: Boston wouldn't give you Hamilton for Couturier...

if you could do it again, Coots or Dougie Hamilton ?
- MrBigglesworth

Ask yourself this question... Would Boston trade Hamilton streit up for Couts? You should hav your answer.

Buyout Bryz and Briere and sign Streit for two years, 6 mill per

Would be even better if we could get someone to take Briere in a trade, but I don't think hell go for it.

My only thought right now, is that if this deal is 4 years or so. Then they should've signed Carle last year. While Carle does not have the point shot, or isn't as dynamic offensively as Streit. Carle is every bit as good as a puck mover as Streit is, if not better. And Carle is easily superior to Streit defensively. As well as being considerably younger. And Carle is a better overall player.
- MJL

Nope...sorry, you're wrong. The vast majority of the time Carle passes the puck from his own zone, sometimes deep in his own zone, from a relatively static position whereas Streit is much more mobile minded and confident in carrying the puck so he can skate with the puck up ice to a much greater extent versus Carle, at times carrying it into the offensive zone on his own, which Carle hardly ever did/does. This puts him in another echelon of puck movement vs. Carle. I agree that Carle is the superior defensive player...not sure about him being better overall, as I don't know if Streits better puck skills and dynamic offense counter Carle's somewhat better defense. Also, unlike Streit, Carle was never an all-star and can't play forward if needed. At this point, with age being a factor, it would be fairly close as to who some might consider "the better overall player"...but you're entitled to your opinion.

Maybe they could get him to agree to a HEAVILY front loaded, 3 year deal? Maybe 8mil 1st yr, then a drop off like 3 mil 2nd yr, 2mil 3rd yr? If I'm not mistaken that would put his cap around 4.3mil, which is very manageable. That's just me thinking optimistically, though.

How dare he try to address this team's most glaring need without giving up top assets.
- jmatchett383

Fixed

if you could do it again, Coots or Dougie Hamilton ?
- MrBigglesworth

Couturier, easily.

To get the cap hit south of $5 mil/year
- bradleyc4

You can only hope. That's what I'm hoping for.

Maybe they could get him to agree to a HEAVILY front loaded, 3 year deal? Maybe 8mil 1st yr, then a drop off like 3 mil 2nd yr, 2mil 3rd yr? If I'm not mistaken that would put his cap around 4.3mil, which is very manageable. That's just me thinking optimistically, though.
- JAKEw1234

You can't make those kind of deals now in the CBA. I think it's around 25-30% variance per season

He dated Pamela Anderson.
That should count for something. Right?
- jmatchett383

If you're counting STDs

Nope...sorry, you're wrong. The vast majority of the time Carle passes the puck from his own zone, sometimes deep in his own zone, from a relatively static position whereas Streit is much more mobile minded and confident in carrying the puck so he can skate with the puck up ice to a much greater extent versus Carle, at times carrying it into the offensive zone on his own, which Carle hardly ever did/does. This puts him in another echelon of puck movement vs. Carle. I agree that Carle is the superior defensive player...not sure about him being better overall, as I don't know if Streits better puck skills and dynamic offense counter Carle's somewhat better defense. Also, unlike Streit, Carle was never an all-star and can't play forward if needed. At this point, with age being a factor, it would be fairly close as to who some might consider "the better overall player"...but you're entitled to your opinion.
- exlund

Opinions are like__________. Everyone has one, and they ususally stink.

Feel free to fill in the blank.

if you could do it again, Coots or Dougie Hamilton ?
- MrBigglesworth

I'd have drafted Hamilton the first time through.

Acquiring Streit's rights I have no problem with.

Signing Streit to a multi-year deal with a cap hit over $5M I do have a problem with.

My prediction: Holmgren gives him 3 yrs at $5.5M per.

Another bad 35+ contract.
- phillydentist

I'm thinking it is going to be 4 @ $5.5. This will put him at the same age as Kimmo when his contract ends next year. He isn't quite the player Kimmo has been, but would argue he is an upgrade to Carle. Would have liked to have him when the Islanders got him. I'm thinking:

Kimmo - Coburn
Streit - Schenn
Grossman - Gus/Mez

The following year Kimmo is gone, Gus has another year under his belt, and Mez or Gus plays with Coburn.

Word on the street was that the Flyers and Carle had a verbal agreement, but once Wideman got that crazy contract from Calgary, his agent and he backed out. Oh well, over and done. Maybe we'll reacquire him for a former 1st rounder and a 6th defenseman.
- jmatchett383

Word on the street was that Holmgren felt there was a deal to be done. I never saw any factual information that stated that a deal was in place.

You can't make those kind of deals now in the CBA. I think it's around 25-30% variance per season
- FlyerAdam30

I think you can have a maximum year-to-year drop of 10% of the highest year.
So, if the first year is $8M, the next year can't be lower than $7.2M, and so on.
So, if they did a 4-year deal with th 1st year at $6M, the cap hit for 4 years is $5.1M.

Nope...sorry, you're wrong. The vast majority of the time Carle passes the puck from his own zone, sometimes deep in his own zone, from a relatively static position whereas Streit is much more mobile minded and confident in carrying the puck so he can skate with the puck up ice to a much greater extent versus Carle, at times carrying it into the offensive zone on his own, which Carle hardly ever did/does. This puts him in another echelon of puck movement vs. Carle. I agree that Carle is the superior defensive player...not sure about him being better overall, as I don't know if Streits better puck skills and dynamic offense counter Carle's somewhat better defense. Also, unlike Streit, Carle was never an all-star and can't play forward if needed. At this point, with age being a factor, it would be fairly close as to who some might consider "the better overall player"...but you're entitled to your opinion.
- exlund

I like your posts. Keep 'em coming.

I personally wouldn't give the edge to Carle on defense automatically. Streit has the much better shot, can skate with the puck better but is also much older. Streit is the over 35 version of Yandle.

It comes down to how much pain Holmgren puts the oranization and the fanbase through with the terms of the contract.

Word on the street was that Holmgren felt there was a deal to be done. I never saw any factual information that stated that a deal was in place.
- MJL

That's why it was word on the street. There usually aren't printed facts to support them.

Flyers couldn't sign him because of tagging rules.

Choose to believe what you want, but they had every intention of bringing him back.
- bradleyc4

The Flyers made a choice on who to sign first. And let's clarify. I did not state that the Flyers did not intend to bring Carle back. I also believe they intended to. But as I said previously, they made Carle wait. And intending to bring him back, is quite different from having an agreed upon deal.

OK, here's my take on Streit:

Cons:

-(frank)ing hate trading assets for rights. Hate it like ass flavored ice cream.

-Obviously the over 35 situation makes me leery. The Flyers seem to be the kid who needs third degree burns to stop toughing the damned stove.

-Streit isn't exactly a great two way defenseman.

Pros:

-Streit is an exceptional puck mover, and still has good wheels at age 35.

-He does fill a major need at a rather insignificant cost(asset wise)

-in regards to likely cap hit, ANYBODY they traded for was likely to have a fairly large cap hit, unless it was a reclamation project such as Jamie McBain or similar young defenseman.

-PP. Streit is an exceptional PP quarterback.

I can see Streit slotted into a second pair role, playing with Coburn and it looks solid on paper.

That's why it was word on the street. There usually aren't printed facts to support them.
- jmatchett383

Word on the street just as easily conjures images of pulling it out of ones backside.

OK, here's my take on Streit:

Cons:

-(frank)ing hate trading assets for rights. Hate it like ass flavored ice cream.

-Obviously the over 35 situation makes me leery. The Flyers seem to be the kid who needs third degree burns to stop toughing the damned stove.

-Streit isn't exactly a great two way defenseman.

Pros:

-Streit is an exceptional puck mover, and still has good wheels at age 35.

-He does fill a major need at a rather insignificant cost(asset wise)

-in regards to likely cap hit, ANYBODY they traded for was likely to have a fairly large cap hit, unless it was a reclamation project such as Jamie McBain or similar young defenseman.

-PP. Streit is an exceptional PP quarterback.

I can see Streit slotted into a second pair role, playing with Coburn and it looks solid on paper.
- Jsaquella

How do you know you'd hate ass flavored ice cream?
And are we talking man ass or hot kinky asian woman ass?

OK, here's my take on Streit:

Cons:

-(frank)ing hate trading assets for rights. Hate it like ass flavored ice cream.

-Obviously the over 35 situation makes me leery. The Flyers seem to be the kid who needs third degree burns to stop toughing the damned stove.

-Streit isn't exactly a great two way defenseman.

Pros:

-Streit is an exceptional puck mover, and still has good wheels at age 35.

-He does fill a major need at a rather insignificant cost(asset wise)

-in regards to likely cap hit, ANYBODY they traded for was likely to have a fairly large cap hit, unless it was a reclamation project such as Jamie McBain or similar young defenseman.

-PP. Streit is an exceptional PP quarterback.

I can see Streit slotted into a second pair role, playing with Coburn and it looks solid on paper.
- Jsaquella

Awesome!