If I knew where these leaked but unconfirmed reports came from, I'd have my own rumors blog. So I don't know.
- jmatchett383

Exactly my point. So how credible is it? And what do we know that actually did happen?

Matt Carle signed with Tampa Bay for 6 years for 33M

http://www.capgeek.com/player/750

http://www.cbssports.com/...-with-tampa-bay-lightning
- MJL

How does that prove that he didn't have a verbal agreement with the Flyers that changed after the Wideman deal?

Exactly my point. So how credible is it?
- MJL

It's as credible as anything not put in writing on a press release approved by the NHL (when NHL news in concerned).

I'm going to have to assume that talks for other available D required a significant asset going the other way. This couldn't have been the first choice. This had to be just inside the top ten.

If nothing else (given what the yrs and rate will be on this contract) it buys Erik Gustafsson, Brandon Manning, Shayne Gostisbehere, Marc-Andre Bourdon, Oliver Lauridsen and Mark Alt time to develop a little more without having to rush them and that's a positive.

I'm not crazy about the 4th round pick but he hasn't signed yet so I'll fret that on the 30th (wonder what happens if he's still unsigned July 1).
- mayorofangrytown

My guess is that they looked at a handful of younger guys, the price was Couturier + and they said (frank) it, get a Timonen "replacement" and we'll ride out the season.

I don't know. But I think something else is going to happen. Just don't know what.
- MJL

Buyouts. Both start with B's.

Buyouts. Both start with B's.
- phillydentist

Braydon Schenn and Braydon Coburn?

For God's sakes no more than 3 years on Streit. I dont care if the cap hit is 6 mil no more than 3 years!
- Just5

Homer has lost it

He's certainly an upgrade to Carle as far as total point production, and as far as a point shot and PP point man. He's not an upgrade at even strength. And certainly not defensively.
- MJL

But not the turnover machine Carle has been prone to be.

All good points...although IF he is signed it minimizes the pain of the asset trade to nothing. If not...he's another Hamhuis / Nabokov. So I get the risk. The over 35 a la Pronger can bite you. But with Kimmo being gone after next year I am glad to have someone of his skill level and leadership experience on the club.
- section32

Street/Straight is nowhere close to Timo's skill or leadership level. If by experience, you mean out of warranty, I agree.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 23s

In canned quotes from Flyers, Streit says he's "pretty confident" he'll sign.

Adam Kimelman ‏@NHLAdamK 50s

Mark Streit on possibly signing with PHI: "I'm pretty confident. ... It'd be awesome to play for the Flyers."

Braydon Schenn and Braydon Coburn?
- jmatchett383

How does that prove that he didn't have a verbal agreement with the Flyers that changed after the Wideman deal?
- jmatchett383

How does it not? The only deal you really have is one that is put on paper and signed. Otherwise there is only discussion. It's pretty clear that the Flyers made Carle wait, and he wasn't the top priority. If Carle had agreed to a deal in principle with Holmgren, I believe he would still be here.

My guess is that they looked at a handful of younger guys, the price was Couturier + and they said (frank) it, get a Timonen "replacement" and we'll ride out the season.
- Jsaquella

This is good news for fans that want the flyers to keep the young kids together.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 23s

In canned quotes from Flyers, Streit says he's "pretty confident" he'll sign.

Adam Kimelman ‏@NHLAdamK 50s

Mark Streit on possibly signing with PHI: "I'm pretty confident. ... It'd be awesome to play for the Flyers."
- Jsaquella

Like two years at 4 mil awesome?

Street/Straight is nowhere close to Timo's skill or leadership level. If by experience, you mean out of warranty, I agree.
- 77rams

He's 35, not 38 like Kimmo who will be 39 for his final year. A for year deal puts him at the same age as Kimmo at the end of this last extension. And he is a good skating puck mover.

Street/Straight is nowhere close to Timo's skill or leadership level. If by experience, you mean out of warranty, I agree.
- 77rams

Agree on defensive skill but offensively he's right there with Timonen and IMO has a better shot even. On leadership, he was the Isles captain the last 3 yrs so he's not chopped liver in that department.

My guess is that they looked at a handful of younger guys, the price was Couturier + and they said (frank) it, get a Timonen "replacement" and we'll ride out the season.
- Jsaquella

That's exactly what I thought when I heard it. Exactly.

Like two years at 4 mil awesome?
- 77rams

Stop. He would get way more than that when FA opens. Good D men are at a ridiculous premium. This will be $5.5 or more for at least 3 if not 4 years.

But not the turnover machine Carle has been prone to be.
- section32

Giveaways last 2 Seasons

12/13 Carle 34 Streit 37
11/12 Carle 55 Streit 63

Here's your canned quote interview:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=18389

dead lock the flyers will pick a forward

Like two years at 4 mil awesome?
- 77rams

My guess? 3 years and $15.6mm

How does it not? The only deal you really have is one that is put on paper and signed. Otherwise there is only discussion. It's pretty clear that the Flyers made Carle wait, and he wasn't the top priority. If Carle had agreed to a deal in principle with Holmgren, I believe he would still be here.
- MJL

And I believe he wouldn't based on the Wideman deal.

http://www.broadstreethoc...gency-2012-dennis-wideman
-"Paul Holmgren is on the record saying he believes Carle will sign in Philadelphia under market value, and there's a possibility that Carle and the Flyers already have a agreement in place. The only reason the Flyers cannot sign a deal with Carle pre-July 1 is tagging space, but that's really just a formality. But even if the Flyers did have an agreement in place with Carle, he and his agent would be silly not to rip that up and start over. Not after the Flames just gave more than $5 million per year to Dennis Wideman."

http://www.delcotimes.com...febd67508eca291675277.txt
- "General manager Paul Holmgren has said he's pretty confident he'll not only be able to re-sign Carle on the first day of free agency Sunday, but he'll be able to do so at a “hometown discount.” Speculation was Carle would perhaps go for a contract averaging about $4.5 million a year instead of an optimistic estimate of about $5 million per season. But Wideman, whose rights were worth a fifth-round draft choice from the Flames to the Caps, drew more than that from Hershey-bred GM Jay Feaster and his masters. And the commitment was on a longer term contract than what anyone might have expected. Expect that hometown discount to stay in place for the Flyers if they sign on Matt Carle. But don't be surprised if the numbers just changed a bit. "

Again, as I said, word on the street. Nothing confirmed. All I said was that it was word on the street, not that I knew it for sure.

It's as credible as anything not put in writing on a press release approved by the NHL (when NHL news in concerned).
- jmatchett383

It's not credible at all.

Agree on defensive skill but offensively he's right there with Timonen and IMO has a better shot even. On leadership, he was the Isles captain the last 3 yrs so he's not chopped liver in that department.
- phillydentist

Alexei Yashin was an Islander captain for 2 years.