I've taught you nothing in my time here
- flyer_nutter

winterpeg?

winna-craphole?

coldashellpeg?

I've taught you nothing in my time here
- flyer_nutter

Does this mean no read for bernier?

In fairness, the Islanders haven't had the most stellar recent past. Not to mention a real wang of an owner...I mean Wong.
- section32

He stayed through the bad but left when they got good. But this isn't the past, the Isles were better than the Flyers last year so this contract should not have been focused on the past when they were bad

PLind is Mr sarcasm
- Marc D

A good way to look at it is Briere was traded for Streit. Figure Briere gets bought out, and Streit has a similar cap hit. I'm not thrilled about it, but it addresses a need. Beats the alternative of trading Schenn or Couturier for an Edler type.

The only issue there is that he's going to get about half of the PP ice time that the top unit point men get. For a player who is a PP specialist. The first unit is always out for the key PP's in big moments in games. And a lot of times, the 2nd unit comes out with like 30 seconds left, and doesn't get good zone time.
- MJL

Streit is immediately our top offensive threat from the back end I don't see how he's not on the top PP unit. Last years PP was last years PP.

well we seemed to have turned around Steve Mason, who was one of the "worst" goalies in the NHL. Who knows maybe Streit will play harder for us *shrug*
- FLYERSROCK!

And the most amazing part was it only took 7 games to turn around Steve Mason!

A good way to look at it is Briere was traded for Streit. Figure Briere gets bought out, and Streit has a similar cap hit. I'm not thrilled about it, but it addresses a need. Beats the alternative of trading Schenn or Couturier for an Edler type.
- PLindbergh31

I like this analogy.

Streit is immediately our top offensive threat from the back end I don't see how he's not on the top PP unit. Last years PP was last years PP.
- Just5

I agree. If you're not going to give him 3-4 minutes in PP ice time a game. Why acquire the guy? That's what he's best at. The Flyers had a dam good PP with Timonen and Pronger on the points.

A good way to look at it is Briere was traded for Streit. Figure Briere gets bought out, and Streit has a similar cap hit. I'm not thrilled about it, but it addresses a need. Beats the alternative of trading Schenn or Couturier for an Edler type.
- PLindbergh31

Thats basically what it comes down to and while not a flashy move it makes this team a whole hell of a lot more well rounded.

Nutter... you are OK with a 3 yr deal for 16M or more for Streit?
- Marc D

The Flyers painted themselves into a corner by not attempting to address the D when they had chances in years past, to try and bring in the youth needed.

As of now the only options I see are signing stop gaps to keep the team somewhat competative, or saving cap room for nothing and relying on the draft.

I am okay with it because it falls in line with my approach of bringing in veteran leadership to this team, to have this young crew learn the right way to play, and approach the game from. Its why I have advocated for guys like Jagr and Morrow.

Its my firm belief that by the time this team is fully ready to establish itself as one of the top teams, even a guy like Streit, probably wont be here or will be here on his last year.

I would rather pay Streit instead of giving up assets. Stay the course, build the D via the draft, but dont dealt Coots or Brayden Schenn. We all know they wont stand pat, I rather they pay Streit instead of giving up the youth.

I agree. If you're not going to give him 3-4 minutes in PP ice time a game. Why acquire the guy? That's what he's best at. The Flyers had a dam good PP with Timonen and Pronger on the points.
- MJL

Yea but even if it were between Streit/Timonen, Streit is the more mobile guy with the harder shot. I expect him to be on the top unit

I agree. If you're not going to give him 3-4 minutes in PP ice time a game. Why acquire the guy? That's what he's best at. The Flyers had a dam good PP with Timonen and Pronger on the points.
- MJL

I didnt see the D involved too much on the PP creating chances from the point last year. I dont think Streit will hurt the PP chemistry in any way. If anything maybe Giroux wont have to line up in the exact same spot near the top of the circle every PP and can be even more dangerous.

so this means that both Briere & Bryz are getting bought out. No way can they sign him for $5MM hit and not dump both of those guys.

so this means that both Briere & Bryz are getting bought out. No way can they sign him for $5MM hit and not dump both of those guys.
- LJF

Hartnell could be moved. Mez could be dumped. etc. Still lots of options.

Yea but even if it were between Streit/Timonen, Streit is the more mobile guy with the harder shot. I expect him to be on the top unit
- Just5

Yes, Streit has the big shot. But Timonen is one of the top PP point producers in the NHL. He was 3rd overall among all NHL defenseman in PP points this past Season. And the 9th overall the Season before. So I don't want to remove Timonen from the first unit either.

I didnt see the D involved too much on the PP creating chances from the point last year. I dont think Streit will hurt the PP chemistry in any way. If anything maybe Giroux wont have to line up in the exact same spot near the top of the circle every PP and can be even more dangerous.
- hereticpride

I agree. And other teams will have to respect that big shot from the point that the Flyers have been lacking. And that's going to create more open room, and more passing lanes for Giroux on the PP. And if they continue to heavily pressure Giroux. Blast away from the point with one timers and point shots.

so this means that both Briere & Bryz are getting bought out. No way can they sign him for $5MM hit and not dump both of those guys.
- LJF

They don't need to buyout both to sign Streit.

so this means that both Briere & Bryz are getting bought out. No way can they sign him for $5MM hit and not dump both of those guys.
- LJF

You would think so. Neither guy has any value on the trade market. Looking at the rosters of the top teams in the NHL, majority of them have no buyout candidates, while the Flyers have a few. Cripples a team having big money tied up in guys who produce at replacement level.

Who am I losing? Meszaros is in the last year of his contract and has had three shoulder injuries in the past year and a half. I have zero faith that Meszaros can ever return and be much more than Carlo Coliacovo at this point-an injury waiting to happen
- Jsaquella

I guess that's where we disagree. Aside from being untimely. He's only had surgery on that shoulder once in the last 5 years. I don't see that as an ongoning injury. The other Surgeries to his back and Achillies while concerning have had ample time to heal and he looked great the 4 games before the Shoulder injury (though the team did not). So I do agree with Homer that he's been more unlucky than anything else.

Now as far as what he brings to the table? a 27 year Puck moving Defensmen who's a + player, scores 30 + points even strength, can run a PP (Ottawa), has a bomb of a shot, hits like a truck and has 7 years NHL experience? If I were MacTavish? I'd take that deal laughing all the way to the playoffs.

I agree. And other teams will have to respect that big shot from the point that the Flyers have been lacking. And that's going to create more open room, and more passing lanes for Giroux on the PP. And if they continue to heavily pressure Giroux. Blast away from the point with one timers and point shots.
- MJL

Exactly what I want to see. A well rounded attack with solid threats up front and on the blueline. Whether it worked or not it was almost becoming comical to watch Giroux stay back and fire off slap shots on every PP because no one on the D last year had a threatening shot.

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Meszaros/Gustafsson

You can't go wrong!

Solid article Bill.

Hopefully the streit deal will keep Coots and Schenn in orange and black.

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Meszaros/Gustafsson

You can't go wrong!
- dingo8urbaby

It does look a lot more well balanced. I would run with Streit Schenn as my top line though.

I guess that's where we disagree. Aside from being untimely. He's only had surgery on that shoulder once in the last 5 years. I don't see that as an ongoning injury. The other Surgeries to his back and Achillies while concerning have had ample time to heal and he looked great the 4 games before the Shoulder injury (though the team did not). So I do agree with Homer that he's been more unlucky than anything else.

Now as far as what he brings to the table? a 27 year Puck moving Defensmen who's a + player, scores 30 + points even strength, can run a PP (Ottawa), has a bomb of a shot, hits like a truck and has 7 years NHL experience? If I were MacTavish? I'd take that deal laughing all the way to the playoffs.
- flyler

He's missed 57 games the last two seasons, is in the last year of his contract, and missed time twice with shoulder injuries last season. I have no faith he can rebound, and honestly wouldn't be amazed if he's a salary dump trade at the draft

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Meszaros/Gustafsson

You can't go wrong!
- dingo8urbaby

Zackly. And Gus can move into Kimmo's spot next year.