Did you just watch Cobb?
- youarewrong

Cobb's non-statistical stories are legendary. Sharpening his spikes to hurt players, beating up a cripple for heckling him.

Oh boy...

Butthead didn't even get to a final in his career let alone win a Stanley Cup.
- mayorofangrytown

Wasn't Primeau on the '95 Wings team that got beat by the Devils in the Finals?

Wasn't Primeau on the '95 Wings team that got beat by the Devils in the Finals?
- johndewar

OH ISH!

That's my point. To me, right now, they ARE a disappointment. There's no reason that a team that stacked hasn't won mutliple cups. They should be like the Wings/Avs of the mid-90s/early-00s. The Cup should have to go through Pittsburgh every year. It doesn't.
- jmatchett383

Crosby is still only 25. He's got one Cup in the bank already. Not to mention he's missed a good chunk of games to injury.

The Penguins aren't nearly as good as the teams you reference defensively. By in large they get in track meets, and you can't win that way in the playoffs majority of the time regardless of talent level.

I think that is going a little too far. I know my hockey history. I've watched the black and white games. And no-one is argueing the importance of Orr or his accomplishments, but Gretzky is the best hockey player of all time. Sure he played on a great Edmonton team, but its not like he sucked when he was traded to LA.

If you ask anyone who the greatest player was, 9 out of 10 will tell you Gretzky...
- youarewrong

It's not going too far. There's still people that will tell you Orr is the greatest ever.

Sorry, but if you say that Orr isn't on the level of Gretzky and Lemieux, then you are wrong. I don't care if you watch black and white games, you obviously didn't understand what you were watching.

Had Orr played in the same era as Gretzky and gotten the same media attention, it'd be less than 9 out of 10 people saying Gretzky is the greatest ever.

Crosby is still only 25. He's got one Cup in the bank already. Not to mention he's missed a good chunk of games to injury.

The Penguins aren't nearly as good as the teams you reference defensively. By in large they get in track meets, and you can't win that way in the playoffs majority of the time regardless of talent level.
- PLindbergh31

Edmonton did it 5 times in 7 years. I think 2 of them had Andy Moog as the goalie.

That's actually an old Ty Cobb quip.

http://www.baseball-alman....com/quotes/quocobb.shtml
- johndewar

Cobb died when he was 74, how can it be a Ty Cobb quip?

Edmonton did it 5 times in 7 years. I think 2 of them had Andy Moog as the goalie.
- jmatchett383

Different era. Edmonton had what 8 Hall of Famers on their team? Pittsburgh doesn't have anywhere near the talent gap the Oilers had over their competition.

It's not going too far. There's still people that will tell you Orr is the greatest ever.

Sorry, but if you say that Orr isn't on the level of Gretzky and Lemieux, then you are wrong. I don't care if you watch black and white games, you obviously didn't understand what you were watching.

Had Orr played in the same era as Gretzky and gotten the same media attention, it'd be less than 9 out of 10 people saying Gretzky is the greatest ever.
- Jsaquella

I think it depends on era. Like we've said, some of it's relative to when you grew up. People from the 60s/70s will say it's Howe and Richard. People from the 80s will say Orr. People from the 90s/00s will say Gretzky and Lemieux.

There's an interesting point. It seems that every era has 2 guys. Except for the 70s. Orr stands alone in the 70s. There were guys like Esposito, LaFleur, Dionne, etc. But Orr is the 70s guy. Just find that odd.

Wasn't Primeau on the '95 Wings team that got beat by the Devils in the Finals?
- johndewar

Beat isn't the word. They got embarrassed.

That's actually an old Ty Cobb quip.

http://www.baseball-alman....com/quotes/quocobb.shtml
- johndewar

good call, knew it sounded familiar


and damn this list is awesome.
really wish Cobb wasnt pretty much evil

Cobb died when he was 74, how can it be a Ty Cobb quip?
- PLindbergh31

Cobb was asked how he'd do against "today's" pitchers when he was in his late sixties or early seventies. He said, "Oh, I'd probably hit around .270". The reporter said, "So you think the pitchers today are that much better than when you played?" and Cobb said, " No, you jackass....I'm 70 years old!"

Crosby is still only 25. He's got one Cup in the bank already. Not to mention he's missed a good chunk of games to injury.

The Penguins aren't nearly as good as the teams you reference defensively. By in large they get in track meets, and you can't win that way in the playoffs majority of the time regardless of talent level.
- PLindbergh31

Penguins have thier window. The won 1 and lost 1. Now with Corsby, Malkin, and Letang contracts they wont be able to ice a complete team. Soon there will be a time when the Penguins go from great team, to moderate team, to cant get out of those contracts team...

I would say about 3 years before those contracts REALLY start to kill the team.

Different era. Edmonton had what 8 Hall of Famers on their team? Pittsburgh doesn't have anywhere near the talent gap the Oilers had over their competition.
- PLindbergh31

True. Still, every year they're picked to win it come playoff time, and every year, they don't.

Cobb was asked how he'd do against "today's" pitchers when he was in his late sixties or early seventies. He said, "Oh, I'd probably hit around .270". The reporter said, "So you think the pitchers today are that much better than when you played?" and Cobb said, " No, you jackass....I'm 70 years old!"
- Jsaquella

Never knew that. Cobb was a bad guy. Not a fan of his.

I think it depends on era. Like we've said, some of it's relative to when you grew up. People from the 60s/70s will say it's Howe and Richard. People from the 80s will say Orr. People from the 90s/00s will say Gretzky and Lemieux.

There's an interesting point. It seems that every era has 2 guys. Except for the 70s. Orr stands alone in the 70s. There were guys like Esposito, LaFleur, Dionne, etc. But Orr is the 70s guy. Just find that odd.
- jmatchett383

Era is part of it, but Gretzky played in the first era where hockey really got a lot of attention in the US, and he was the face of hockey at the time.

When Orr played, there wasn't a huge national TV deal in the US, you got one game a week, on NBC.

Never knew that. Cobb was a bad guy. Not a fan of his.
- PLindbergh31

He was an bumhole. Guys despised him.

Penguins have thier window. The won 1 and lost 1. Now with Corsby, Malkin, and Letang contracts they wont be able to ice a complete team. Soon there will be a time when the Penguins go from great team, to moderate team, to cant get out of those contracts team...

I would say about 3 years before those contracts REALLY start to kill the team.
- youarewrong

Very possible. Although if the rumor of the cap going to 80m in the near future is true, they will be able to surround their stars with decent talent.

Different era. Edmonton had what 8 Hall of Famers on their team? Pittsburgh doesn't have anywhere near the talent gap the Oilers had over their competition.
- PLindbergh31

Edmonton also had a stellar money goalie. Grat Fuhr's stats were not the best, but that guy rarely allowed a goal when his team managed to get the lead.

good call, knew it sounded familiar


and damn this list is awesome.
really wish Cobb wasnt pretty much evil
- Crimsoninja

I actually read the book Al Stump wrote after Cobb's death that the movie "Cobb" was based on. He was an interesting guy and an awful human being.

He was an bumhole. Guys despised him.
- Jsaquella

I understand it was a totally different era, but the racial stuff with him I have no tolerance for.

He was an bumhole. Guys despised him.
- Jsaquella

I love him. I know it contradicts my LeBron argument, but I love the old ruthless baseball players.

Everyone, great talks today, have a good night.

It's not going too far. There's still people that will tell you Orr is the greatest ever.

Sorry, but if you say that Orr isn't on the level of Gretzky and Lemieux, then you are wrong. I don't care if you watch black and white games, you obviously didn't understand what you were watching.

Had Orr played in the same era as Gretzky and gotten the same media attention, it'd be less than 9 out of 10 people saying Gretzky is the greatest ever.
- Jsaquella

You are wrong. You can era this, media attention that, but you are still wrong. You seem to think I am dismissing Orr and as a result you are trying to insult me. Maybe it is you who are mistaken.

Edmonton also had a stellar money goalie. Grat Fuhr's stats were not the best, but that guy rarely allowed a goal when his team managed to get the lead.
- Jsaquella

Didn't Moog win at least 2 of them? Actually I think Ranford won in 1990.

Edmonton also had a stellar money goalie. Grat Fuhr's stats were not the best, but that guy rarely allowed a goal when his team managed to get the lead.
- Jsaquella

Yup. Fuhr's regular season stats weren't great, but the guy came to play in big games. Money goalie. The perfect goalie for that team.