NHL record - Most shorthanded goals, career: Wayne Gretzky, 73
- BingoLady

Ny Yankees 28 championships... I still say Ted williams is better ball player than any Yankee ever. Stats, records will never tell the whole story. Give me the complete player any day of the week

true. with that kind of exposure forced down peoples throats, i can see why crosby already had a lot of biased against him from the start. but thats mainly just how the media runs today in sports. so frenzied desperate for the next big thing, that they will saturate coverage to make it so.
- stayinthefnnet

Thus losing a lot of readers in the process. Smells like success!

I understand it -- I just don't like it. It's dumbing down coverage and makes for a dumber fan base.

His scrums with Clarke are fun to watch.
- Flyskippy

Game 6, SC final game, 1974. Clarke and Orr on their knees throwing fists, gloves at one another.

Classic.

Ny Yankees 28 championships... I still say Ted williams is better ball player than any Yankee ever. Stats, records will never tell the whole story. Give me the complete player any day of the week
- SMS4016

Orr and Mario couldn't stay healthy - health's part of the complete package.

Crosby too..

Ny Yankees 28 championships... I still say Ted williams is better ball player than any Yankee ever. Stats, records will never tell the whole story. Give me the complete player any day of the week
- SMS4016

pull-hitter that was exposed when teams began applying the shift




there really needs to be a half-winky face

Thus losing a lot of readers in the process. Smells like success!

I understand it -- I just don't like it. It's dumbing down coverage and makes for a dumber fan base.
- Flyskippy

oh i totally agree. but to go mass coverage in todays america you need to dumb it down. for every rational, thinking fan such as yourself it loses, it may gain ten casual, sports center top ten driven puddle deep fans.

i.e. (frank) people like us haha

pull-hitter that was exposed when teams began applying the shift




there really needs to be a half-winky face
- Crimsoninja

ya Ruth was better.

Orr and Mario couldn't stay healthy - health's part of the complete package.

Crosby too..
- BingoLady

Gretzgy was never touched. It was like an all star game. If you got within 5 feet of him mcsorley was chopping you down. His stats are soooo inflated. No way he puts up those numbers in marios era or now a days. Not to mention the goaltending was a complete and utter joke. I wish someone would go through all gretzgys goals and assisted goals and eliminated 90 % of points where easy ass goals scored along the ice happened because goalies never went down like today to cover bottom of ice and see what total he'd have then.

There isn't a player in today's game that is remotely close to the offensive skill level that Gretzky and Lemieux had.
- MJL

I agree, here's some math that you may or may not agree with, but that I think helps my point. In the 11-12 season, the average goals per game among all teams was 2.838 goals per game. In the 81-82 season, the average was 4.0125 goals per game. Based on this average I'm going to say that 1 goal in 2011 is worth 1.414 goals in 1981. Using that, in Gretzky's highest scoring season ever (81-82), his 92 goals in 1981 would be worth 65 goals translated in the 2011-2012 season. Stamkos scored 60 goals that season. On the same note, Stamkos's 60 goals in 2011-2012 would theoretically be worth 85 goals in the 1981-1982 season. I think people today just build so much lore around players of the past that they become hockey gods, and no other player ever could rival them. Here, in what is in my opinion the best way to translate Gretzky's game to the modern era, it shows that while he still would be the best, he wouldn't be miles ahead of the competition as a lot of people seem to insist he would be.

Gretzgy was never touched. It was like an all star game. If you got within 5 feet of him mcsorley was chopping you down. His stats are soooo inflated. No way he puts up those numbers in marios era or now a days. Not to mention the goaltending was a complete and utter joke. I wish someone would go through all gretzgys goals and assisted goals and eliminated 90 % of points where easy ass goals scored along the ice happened because goalies never went down like today to cover bottom of ice and see what total he'd have then.
- SMS4016

still 50 more points then anyone else

ya Ruth was better.
- BingoLady

Williams playing that double header and Stijl hitting 400 when absolutely no reason to shows the size of his balls. All heart. Just like Clarke and Orr going at it in cup finals.

I agree, here's some math that you may or may not agree with, but that I think helps my point. In the 11-12 season, the average goals per game among all teams was 2.838 goals per game. In the 81-82 season, the average was 4.0125 goals per game. Based on this average I'm going to say that 1 goal in 2011 is worth 1.414 goals in 1981. Using that, in Gretzky's highest scoring season ever (81-82), his 92 goals in 1981 would be worth 65 goals translated in the 2011-2012 season. Stamkos scored 60 goals that season. On the same note, Stamkos's 60 goals in 2011-2012 would theoretically be worth 85 goals in the 1981-1982 season. I think people today just build so much lore around players of the past that they become hockey gods, and no other player ever could rival them. Here, in what is in my opinion the best way to translate Gretzky's game to the modern era, it shows that while he still would be the best, he wouldn't be miles ahead of the competition as a lot of people seem to insist he would be.
- JAKEw1234

stop making so much sense. shouldnt you be at like a rinaldo for president convention or something

still 50 more points then anyone else
- BingoLady

Orr remains the greatest player I have ever seen, and I saw him when he was broken down near the end of his career. Gretzky's brilliance was not in his physical ability, but in his hockey smarts and on ice vision.

Orr was the complete package, amazing skater, great hockey sense, had a nasty streak to him, as well...and he did it on one leg. To undersell that because Gretzky piled up points in the highest scoring era in history, while a member of the highest scoring team, really undersells what Orr did.

To say that Orr isn't up there with Gretzky shows a marked ignorance of the history of the game.
- Jsaquella

I have to disagree here. Hockey is Hockey. And Gretzky or Lemieux playing today in their prime. Would blow away Stamkos, Crosby, or Ovechkin in scoring. It wouldn't be close.
- MJL

Same size net. Same size puck. Different sized goalies and their pads. I'm sorry whenever I watch highlights of the 70-80's I shake my head at most of the goals that are let in.

Maybe Hammarby can comment on this but my God were the goalies small back then. Did they just look smaller?

Look at the stats of the 84-87 season and all the players that scored over 100 pts. Guys I've never heard of. John Ogrodnick? Neal Broten Maybe these guys are hall of famers I don't know. One player, Evgeni Malkin in 2011-2012 scored over 100 pts. Are all these guys that much better than the 99.89% of players right now that havent hit 100 yet?

I'd like to think that maybe the game has grown in it's complexity. Systems play, defense tactics, since the 80's that a Lemieux or Gretzky in their prime wouldn't waltz into 2013 and put up 160-170 pts.

Maybe I'm wrong and their that much better. That sucks for the state of hockey then I guess

Gretzgy was never touched. It was like an all star game. If you got within 5 feet of him mcsorley was chopping you down. His stats are soooo inflated. No way he puts up those numbers in marios era or now a days. Not to mention the goaltending was a complete and utter joke. I wish someone would go through all gretzgys goals and assisted goals and eliminated 90 % of points where easy ass goals scored along the ice happened because goalies never went down like today to cover bottom of ice and see what total he'd have then.
- SMS4016

Maybe the skaters were just ahead of the time of the goalies? Kudos to Gretzky for putting up that many points though. But when Crosby puts up 120, dont come back at me with Gretzky or Lemieux at 200 and say that hes not near their league based on that

Same size net. Same size puck. Different sized goalies and their pads. I'm sorry whenever I watch highlights of the 70-80's I shake my head at most of the goals that are let in.


- Just5

agreed


was watching a bunch of Orr highlights during the conversation today and - not taking anything away from him as a player - a good amount of the goals would be considered soft in today's game.

but on the flipside you have to keep in mind skaters are using less efficient equipment too. sticks with less curve, etc..

Same size net. Same size puck. Different sized goalies and their pads. I'm sorry whenever I watch highlights of the 70-80's I shake my head at most of the goals that are let in.

Maybe Hammarby can comment on this but my God were the goalies small back then. Did they just look smaller?

Look at the stats of the 84-87 season and all the players that scored over 100 pts. Guys I've never heard of. John Ogrodnick? Neal Broten Maybe these guys are hall of famers I don't know. One player, Evgeni Malkin in 2011-2012 scored over 100 pts. Are all these guys that much better than the 99.89% of players right now that havent hit 100 yet?

I'd like to think that maybe the game has grown in it's complexity. Systems play, defense tactics, since the 80's that a Lemieux or Gretzky in their prime wouldn't waltz into 2013 and put up 160-170 pts.

Maybe I'm wrong and their that much better. That sucks for the state of hockey then I guess
- Just5

Hammarby is in Israel playing hockey, representing the USA in the Maccabiah Games.

Same size net. Same size puck. Different sized goalies and their pads. I'm sorry whenever I watch highlights of the 70-80's I shake my head at most of the goals that are let in.

Maybe Hammarby can comment on this but my God were the goalies small back then. Did they just look smaller?

Look at the stats of the 84-87 season and all the players that scored over 100 pts. Guys I've never heard of. John Ogrodnick? Neal Broten Maybe these guys are hall of famers I don't know. One player, Evgeni Malkin in 2011-2012 scored over 100 pts. Are all these guys that much better than the 99.89% of players right now that havent hit 100 yet?

I'd like to think that maybe the game has grown in it's complexity. Systems play, defense tactics, since the 80's that a Lemieux or Gretzky in their prime wouldn't waltz into 2013 and put up 160-170 pts.

Maybe I'm wrong and their that much better. That sucks for the state of hockey then I guess
- Just5

150 points easily for Gretz and Mario in their prime

Same size net. Same size puck. Different sized goalies and their pads. I'm sorry whenever I watch highlights of the 70-80's I shake my head at most of the goals that are let in.

Maybe Hammarby can comment on this but my God were the goalies small back then. Did they just look smaller?

Look at the stats of the 84-87 season and all the players that scored over 100 pts. Guys I've never heard of. John Ogrodnick? Neal Broten Maybe these guys are hall of famers I don't know. One player, Evgeni Malkin in 2011-2012 scored over 100 pts. Are all these guys that much better than the 99.89% of players right now that havent hit 100 yet?

I'd like to think that maybe the game has grown in it's complexity. Systems play, defense tactics, since the 80's that a Lemieux or Gretzky in their prime wouldn't waltz into 2013 and put up 160-170 pts.

Maybe I'm wrong and their that much better. That sucks for the state of hockey then I guess
- Just5

undeniable. goalies are much better today

undeniable. goalies are much better today
- isaiah520

Agreed -- and since the mid-90's more coaches have focused on defensive systems. They have figured it is easier teaching a player to play defense than how to score a goal.

Hammarby is in Israel playing hockey, representing the USA in the Maccabiah Games.
- Flyskippy

What? Thats lame. He should be in here theres things that need to get done.

stop making so much sense. shouldnt you be at like a rinaldo for president convention or something
- stayinthefnnet

Please I won't settle for anything less than Rinaldo being the supreme overlord of the universe.

What? Thats lame. He should be in here theres things that need to get done.
- Just5

its unbelievable

Agreed -- and since the mid-90's more coaches have focused on defensive systems. They have figured it is easier teaching a player to play defense than how to score a goal.
- Flyskippy

yep. and lemaire perfected it.