ARRRRGGGGGGHHEHEFKJL;ADJGKSLA;J WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS MEAN?!

I feel like I should know this fancy slang, since I'm 19
- Giroux_Is_God

Fixed that for you.

ARRRRGGGGGGHHEHEFKJL;ADJGKSLA;J WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS MEAN?!

I feel like I should know this fancy slang, since I'm 19
- Giroux_Is_God

Haha ... Fixed That for You

Yeesh MJL beat me by a minute!

I'd like to know the top ten players/coaches who have made the biggest impact in the shortest time. I suppose Pronger would be on the top of my list. Then Hitchcock and Forsberg would be a close second.

I'd like to know the top ten players/coaches who have made the biggest impact in the shortest time. I suppose Pronger would be on the top of my list. Then Hitchcock and Forsberg would be a close second.
- dingo8urbaby

I have to say Keenan, Lindros, and Hextall have to be pretty close to the top.

I'd like to know the top ten players/coaches who have made the biggest impact in the shortest time. I suppose Pronger would be on the top of my list. Then Hitchcock and Forsberg would be a close second.
- dingo8urbaby

Pelle Lindbergh

I think it would take considerably more to acquire Franson.
- MJL

The question then becomes were Franson would be in the top 6 ans what would get him?

I guess you changed your mind? I think that's the difficult part. I think the cost of acquiring Franson would be too high. I think they'd ask for one of the Flyers young forwards. I like Franson, but not that much. Which is why I replied to the previous poster, that the cost for Franson would be higher then he suggested.
- MJL

Thats a very fair point. the cost to acquire franson might be more than that. I was basing it on the fact Toronto has a large number of dmen and are seemingly making franson available if the "rumors" are true.
in my opinion franson is a number 4 dman with offensive upside and powerplay ability. i truly dont see gustafson as having more than a number 5 dman potential. and streit and kimmo worry me with their age. until i see Mesz play multiple games in a row i am not confident on his health. same goes for bourdon.

Thats a very fair point. the cost to acquire franson might be more than that. I was basing it on the fact Toronto has a large number of dmen and are seemingly making franson available if the "rumors" are true.
in my opinion franson is a number 4 dman with offensive upside and powerplay ability. i truly dont see gustafson as having more than a number 5 dman potential. and streit and kimmo worry me with their age. until i see Mesz play multiple games in a row i am not confident on his health. same goes for bourdon.
- flyguy1911

Franson is more advanced then Gustafsson at this point. But that could change. We'll see what Gustafsson has this upcoming Season.

The question then becomes were Franson would be in the top 6 ans what would get him?
- jstross

Franson would easily slide into to the top 6, at the expense of Gustafsson or Grossmann

Franson would easily slide into to the top 6, at the expense of Gustafsson or Grossmann
- Jsaquella

Hmm. I really like Gus. Couldn't hurt to get a 25 year old puck mover, but I'd make sure they could move someone first to recover some assets they'd lose in the trade.

Hmm. I really like Gus. Couldn't hurt to get a 25 year old puck mover couldn't hurt.
- jstross

Franson's a puck mover, but he could be more than that. I'd like to see him assume a larger role, as I'd expect the Leafs to ask for a decent return.

Franson's a puck mover, but he could be more than that. I'd like to see him assume a larger role, as I'd expect the Leafs to ask for a decent return.
- Jsaquella

What type of return? Would it include any current roster players or picks and prospects?

What type of return? Would it include any current roster players or picks and prospects?
- jstross

I would guess prospects and picks. I believe they'd be looking for cap relief with Kessel, Phaneuf, Kulemin, Gardiner, and Bolland all looking for new contracts next offseason.

I'd like to know the top ten players/coaches who have made the biggest impact in the shortest time. I suppose Pronger would be on the top of my list. Then Hitchcock and Forsberg would be a close second.
- dingo8urbaby

Lappy

I would guess prospects and picks. I believe they'd be looking for cap relief with Kessel, Phaneuf, Kulemin, Gardiner, and Bolland all looking for new contracts next offseason.
- JAKEw1234

Ok, it starts with a 2014 2nd. What else?

http://bleacherreport.com...centers-in-the-nhl/page/5
per bleacher report, Giroux is the 8th best two-way center in the league. I know it's one article, from a website I tend to disagree with (because of their usual anti-Flyers bias), but a lot of people in here think Giroux has a mediocre to below average defensive game. These anti-Flyers jerks think he actually has a pretty good one.

EDIT: Fun stuff, they have Lecavalier as the 7th. If they're right our team defense should be vastly better next year.

EDIT2: Obviously it's not that good of a list, they omitted Bergeron, Kesler, and a couple others that deserve to be on, but it's still something to consider.

Ok, it starts with a 2014 2nd. What else?
- jstross

I would guess Cousins would be involved.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1541018-the-top-10-shutdown-centers-in-the-nhl/page/5
per bleacher report, Giroux is the 8th best two-way center in the league. I know it's one article, from a website I tend to disagree with (because of their usual anti-Flyers bias), but a lot of people in here think Giroux has a mediocre to below average defensive game. These anti-Flyers jerks think he actually has a pretty good one.

EDIT: Fun stuff, they have Lecavalier as the 7th. If they're right our team defense should be vastly better next year.

EDIT2: Obviously it's not that good of a list, they omitted Bergeron, Kesler, and a couple others that deserve to be on, but it's still something to consider.
- JAKEw1234

This list is pretty much a joke without Patrice Bergeron on it. And Giroux, who has an average to below average defensive game at best doesn't deserve to be on the list.

EDIT: The article is almost 6 months old, and his opinion may have changed since then.

Ok, it starts with a 2014 2nd. What else?
- jstross

Personally, i would be more than ok sending a second round pick, a 3rd rounder, One mid level prospect such as: akeson, Mcginn, Cousins, noebels, and i would not do the trade unless toronto is willing to take Meszaros back in the deal for salary cap purposes( philly uses the salary cap money from Mesz to sign franson at that point).
This gives toronto some extra assets and IF mesz is healthy he is in fact a good final pair dman. (although im not willing to take that chance which is why i want franson)

essentially the true value going to toronto would be a 2nd, a 3rd, a mid level prospect. Mesz is more or less a wildcard. and his contract is up at the end of the season so toronto is stuck with a "bad" contract.

This list is pretty much a joke without Patrice Bergeron on it. And Giroux, who has an average to below average defensive game at best doesn't deserve to be on the list.

EDIT: The article is almost 6 months old, and his opinion may have changed since then.
- MBFlyerfan

Probably, you can read in the comments his admitting that he forgot players. I just wonder why everyone thinks Giroux is so bad defensively. Consistency is an issue sure but when he's on his game he's stellar.

Probably, you can read in the comments his admitting that he forgot players. I just wonder why everyone thinks Giroux is so bad defensively. Consistency is an issue sure but when he's on his game he's stellar.
- JAKEw1234

Because there's times when Giroux is simply not attentive to the defensive side of the game. There's certainly times when Giroux takes shifts off defensively or makes poor decisions in his own end.

When he focuses, he's an above average defensive guy.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1541018-the-top-10-shutdown-centers-in-the-nhl/page/5
per bleacher report, Giroux is the 8th best two-way center in the league. I know it's one article, from a website I tend to disagree with (because of their usual anti-Flyers bias), but a lot of people in here think Giroux has a mediocre to below average defensive game. These anti-Flyers jerks think he actually has a pretty good one.

EDIT: Fun stuff, they have Lecavalier as the 7th. If they're right our team defense should be vastly better next year.

EDIT2: Obviously it's not that good of a list, they omitted Bergeron, Kesler, and a couple others that deserve to be on, but it's still something to consider.
- JAKEw1234

And he has Crosby listed as a top 10 shutdown Center. The Author obviously has no clue. Bergeron is on the list.

Personally, i would be more than ok sending a second round pick, a 3rd rounder, One mid level prospect such as: akeson, Mcginn, Cousins, noebels, and i would not do the trade unless toronto is willing to take Meszaros back in the deal for salary cap purposes( philly uses the salary cap money from Mesz to sign franson at that point).
This gives toronto some extra assets and IF mesz is healthy he is in fact a good final pair dman. (although im not willing to take that chance which is why i want franson)

essentially the true value going to toronto would be a 2nd, a 3rd, a mid level prospect. Mesz is more or less a wildcard. and his contract is up at the end of the season so toronto is stuck with a "bad" contract.
- flyguy1911

You can pretty much guarantee that Toronto is not going to be okay with that deal. Not a single top asset going Toronto's way, and they take on Meszaros?

Probably, you can read in the comments his admitting that he forgot players. I just wonder why everyone thinks Giroux is so bad defensively. Consistency is an issue sure but when he's on his game he's stellar.
- JAKEw1234

Giroux has never been a stellar defensive player. He has occasional moments. But over all he is average to below average defensively. He is good on faceoffs and solid on the PK. But his overall defensive game has a lot of room for improvement.

Once again, cause I'm bored. The top 10 fighters in Flyers history
1. Behn Wilson - just frankin scary dude, for you younger fans try to find a clip of any of his fights, his punch was awesome and he pretty much never lost.
2. Dave Schultz - perhaps the nastiest on the list, terrorized the league in the mid 70s.
3. Dave Brown - a lefty with a huge reach and a mean streak a mile wide
4. Paul Holmgren - could knock guys out just with his glare!
5. Eric Lindros - very few wanted to tangle with Big E.
6. Donald Brashear - could throw with the best of em
7. Craig Berube - The cheif could stand toe to toe with anyone and never backed down.
8. Dave Hoyda - wasn't with the club long, but man could he fight. Too bad he couldn't play a lick!
9. Jack MacIlhargey - Big, rugged and mean. Prototypical 70s Flyer.
10. Rick Macleish - Having the hawk on this list will surprise some, but man could he go. Rick didn't fight much, but when he did, he NEVER lost a fight.

Thoughts?
- BiggE

I remember Behn Wilson....he was big and mean, etc. I still wouldn't put him ahead of Brownie.

I would have probably put Rick Tocchet on this list ahead of someone. Not in the top 5, but....somewhere.

Also, speaking of guys who didn't fight much but could throw'em a little bit.....I'd include Mark Recchi.