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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 12 @ 7:31 PM ET
+/- may be deceiving but ...

Corsi/Fenwick/Goony Googoo

Isn't consistently scored
ignores the effect of goaltending
ignores the quality of shots
ignores the difference in coaching styles

- Aetherial


Probably the most important is that it completely ignores special teams.
GCHonda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MABIE NEXT YEAR!!!!!!! , ON
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 12 @ 7:31 PM ET
http://tinypic.com/userme...2FVwpOclWLJDt1Yh4l5k2TGxc


This is a pic of my baby.
sloppyseconds2
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.02.2012

Nov 12 @ 7:34 PM ET
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=a6BMdyuA%2FVwpOclWLJDt1Yh4l5k2TGxc
- GCHonda



WTF are you doing?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 12 @ 7:35 PM ET
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=a6BMdyuA%2FVwpOclWLJDt1Yh4l5k2TGxc


This is a pic of my baby.

- GCHonda


How long was your wife in labour trying to push that baby out.
SofaKingBored
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 10.13.2006

Nov 12 @ 7:41 PM ET
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=a6BMdyuA%2FVwpOclWLJDt1Yh4l5k2TGxc


This is a pic of my baby.

- GCHonda


Nice neighbourhood... the vehicle is a little Get more emoticons at designmyprofile.com!
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Nov 12 @ 7:42 PM ET
Here's mine.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 12 @ 7:43 PM ET
Probably the most important is that it completely ignores special teams.
- systemtool

And I find the reliance on FenClose and its weighting overall creates self-fulfilling prophecies. Because a lot of bad teams get down quickly, a small sample-sized bad fenwick number gets amplified enormously. It becomes the story that they're a REALLY bad 5v5 team with the score close, when in fact they could be an average or good 5v5 team that simply starts games poorly. Or, only play so-so in 5v5 situations, but have eventful special teams which eliminates chances for future 5v5 close score events.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Nov 12 @ 7:44 PM ET
Good Luck Lefty. You're dealing with a fan base that reacts like a raccoon backed into a corner by a pack of dogs.

Next will be the insults towards the Canucks, the pointing our our SC deficiencies, then the personal insults.

Happens every time.

- moondawg


I am hopeful that someday we will cultivate the zen serenity of the Canucks' fanbase.
sloppyseconds2
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.02.2012

Nov 12 @ 7:44 PM ET
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=a6BMdyuA%2FVwpOclWLJDt1Yh4l5k2TGxc


This is a pic of my baby.

- GCHonda



Here's mne.

Sammich
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You're the fukin best Bellows!
Joined: 02.10.2011

Nov 12 @ 7:44 PM ET
Ya these darn sleeping pills are fukking me up. Gotta get off these things eventually somehow.
- GCHonda


heroin helps you sleep
Leeman4Gilmour
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Obviously, Reimer must be the, AB
Joined: 02.02.2010

Nov 12 @ 7:45 PM ET
I am hopeful that someday we will cultivate the zen serenity of the Canucks' fanbase.
- Zezel


+1.

Well done.
Sammich
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You're the fukin best Bellows!
Joined: 02.10.2011

Nov 12 @ 7:45 PM ET
Here's mne.


- sloppyseconds2


you can walk on water
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Nov 12 @ 7:47 PM ET
+1.

Well done.

- Leeman4Gilmour


Thank. I felt attaching a riot image to the post was superfluous.
GCHonda
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MABIE NEXT YEAR!!!!!!! , ON
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 12 @ 7:48 PM ET
Here's mine.
- Woderwick



Nice car, wanna trade?
sloppyseconds2
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.02.2012

Nov 12 @ 7:49 PM ET
you can walk on water
- Sammich



I'm driving, that's my neighbour standing on the swim platform.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Nov 12 @ 7:49 PM ET
Nice car, wanna trade?
- GCHonda

Mr. Beep!!!! Never!!!
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Nov 12 @ 7:51 PM ET
I'm driving, that's my neighbour standing on the swim platform.
- sloppyseconds2

Don't like your neighbour I see. No no...you'll be fine back there...don't worry...no need for a life jacket.
LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Nov 12 @ 7:51 PM ET
And I find the reliance on FenClose and its weighting overall creates self-fulfilling prophecies. Because a lot of bad teams get down quickly, a small sample-sized bad fenwick number gets amplified enormously. It becomes the story that they're a REALLY bad 5v5 team with the score close, when in fact they could be an average or good 5v5 team that simply starts games poorly. Or, only play so-so in 5v5 situations, but have eventful special teams which eliminates chances for future 5v5 close score events.
- Morris

I'm putting the Detroit inflated and skewed stats to a test, Zetterberg with a blatant giveaway, let's see if they record it.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Nov 12 @ 7:52 PM ET
I'm putting the Detroit inflated stats to a test, Zetterberg with a blatant giveaway, let's see if they record it.
- LeafMan

You do it Leafman.
sloppyseconds2
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.02.2012

Nov 12 @ 7:52 PM ET
Don't like your neighbour I see. No no...you'll be fine back there...don't worry...no need for a life jacket.
- Woderwick





Sometimes.
Mapleleafs_91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: PAUL RANGER SUCKS
Joined: 06.27.2011

Nov 12 @ 7:53 PM ET
Sad thing is that the only D-man on this list who's available is the ex-Leaf who doesn't get along with Phanuef.
- GCHonda


Myers
Schenn
Erik Johnson
Gudbranson
Dumba
Hamonic
Bogosian
Trouba

Pretty sure if we offered up gardiner alot of those guys would become "available" or we could dangle some of our other players, from that list of guys who are more of a shutdown or 2-way/with toughness and size who would you target?
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Nov 12 @ 7:54 PM ET


Sometimes.

- sloppyseconds2


He has a hot wife doesn't he.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Nov 12 @ 7:55 PM ET
Myers
Schenn
Erik Johnson
Gudbranson
D. Hamilton
Dumba
Hamonic
Bogosian
Trouba

Pretty sure if we offered up gardiner alot of those guys would become "available" or we could dangle some of our other players

- Mapleleafs_91

You really think so? I'm not so sure anymore.
Sammich
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You're the fukin best Bellows!
Joined: 02.10.2011

Nov 12 @ 7:55 PM ET
I'm putting the Detroit inflated and skewed stats to a test, Zetterberg with a blatant giveaway, let's see if they record it.
- LeafMan


get em
sloppyseconds2
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.02.2012

Nov 12 @ 7:56 PM ET

He has a hot wife doesn't he.

- Woderwick



No comment, he might be on here.
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