Also, I think part of it is what I call the "soccer mom mentality." That's where soccer moms go out of their way to find a problem with everything, argue for off-the-wall causes (remove "oral sex" from the dictionary because it hurts our children), argue about putting up a shed 2 blocks away that won't impact them, etc.) and I'm sick of it. So I guess I'm just fed up with people arguing over things that are, at least from my point of view, no really hurting anyone.
- jmatchett383

To be fair, you're the one who originally went and found an off-the-wall shed to complain about here.

More hockey talk, less racism/political talk please and thank you. I'm getting complaints but i'd really prefer not to ban any of you, but I will.


I'll get you started, I hate the Pens because....



Have fun.
- canadianpenfan

I don't hate Pens. I don't think many do. The Rangers and Devils, yes. I think most people just hate Crosby and Malkin. If they weren't on the Penguins, they'd just be the Islanders.

Fair enough.

Look, if a team came out and wanted to start the New Jersey Indians and had a picture of a white guy whipping a slave line of Native Americans, then yes, I have a problem with it. But a smiling guy with bright skin and a feather in his head is not offensive in any way shape or form, as I see the situation.
- jmatchett383

I doubt you really would but it's nice to see you have a line you can define for yourself.

I'm always amazed that people can say "Hey, I'm a horrible person, I don't care about anyone but me and my own and I'm okay with that."

I hear it all the time in life and in the media like it's some source of pride.

You actually said that point I couldn't make.
- jmatchett383

Also, the true atrocity is forgetting the fact those people exist.

Fair enough.

Look, if a team came out and wanted to start the New Jersey Indians and had a picture of a white guy whipping a slave line of Native Americans, then yes, I have a problem with it. But a smiling guy with bright skin and a feather in his head is not offensive in any way shape or form, as I see the situation.
- jmatchett383

So you don't think, as a native american- people with slightly larger noses and skin of an ever so slightly red tint (and stereotypically thought of as "red" skin), seeing a logo of a team called the Indians- a man with fire engine red skin, a HUGE nose, and a feather on his head wouldn't offend anyone? That's not an offensive portrayal of those people?

More hockey talk, less racism/political talk please and thank you. I'm getting complaints but i'd really prefer not to ban any of you, but I will.


I'll get you started, I hate the Pens because....



Have fun.
- canadianpenfan

What is this fun you speak of?

the PC crowd likes to ruin everything for everyone
I never thought about those names being racist until the PC people brought it up. The PC people are the true racists because they keep the idea of racism alive.
- 2Real

Backwards Logic: Alive and Well.

Hey guys, I've been away from Internet access the last week.
What are the injury updates?
Read is day to day with a concussion I read in Bill's blog.

Is Gusty ready to go yet?
Thanks.

I hate the Pens because Kunutz is an Olympian that doesn't deserve to be there
- 2Real

Don't hate the Pens, hate Canada.

Don't hate the Pens, hate Canada.
- canadianpenfan

How about both?

What is this fun you speak of?
- BulliesPhan87

It often rides a unicorn across rainbow bridges!

Hey guys, I've been away from Internet access the last week.
What are the injury updates?
Read is day to day with a concussion I read in Bill's blog.

Is Gusty ready to go yet?
Thanks.
- Marc D

Read's head is no longer working.
Pronger is letting his hair grow out.
MAB can now view light, maybe.

So you're saying that you think the Cleveland Indians' name and logo were set up specifically to be derogatory towards and belittle Native Americans?
- jmatchett383

No, I'm just saying that present day personal feelings and positions can get amended in a hurry.

As for the Indians, I'm sure the brand was born out of ignorance, not malice. But the fact that it persists to this day, as a constant reminder of historical tensions, is pretty unforgivable. I went to college in northern Ohio in the late 90's and it was a hot-button topic back then... I'm just glad to see that the owners have continued to take steps to minimize Wahoo and that most Indians fans understand why the brand needs to evolve and are fine with change.

Hey guys, I've been away from Internet access the last week.
What are the injury updates?
Read is day to day with a concussion I read in Bill's blog.

Is Gusty ready to go yet?
Thanks.
- Marc D

How did you survive? Were you locked in a trunk or something?

I'm curious about Read as well, and wouldn't be surprised if he's out for a while longer.

Don't hate the Pens, hate Canada.
- canadianpenfan

isn't that racist/xenophobic

Don't hate the Pens, hate Canada.
- canadianpenfan

Oh, Stevie Y made that extraordinarily easy for me.

isn't that racist/xenophobic
- 2Real

Good point.

I'll even go so far as to say I like Canada's national anthem better than the Star Spangled Banner.

So you don't think, as a native american- people with slightly larger noses and skin of an ever so slightly red tint (and stereotypically thought of as "red" skin), seeing a logo of a team called the Indians- a man with fire engine red skin, a HUGE nose, and a feather on his head wouldn't offend anyone? That's not an offensive portrayal of those people?
- Giroux_Is_God

are you native american? then you can't say at all what is offensive to them

It often rides a unicorn across rainbow bridges!
- wolfhounds

How about both?
- BulliesPhan87

Sure. That works too.

Good point.

I'll even go so far as to say I like Canada's national anthem better than the Star Spangled Banner.
- johndewar

That's very unpatriotic of you. Stop hating America.

People who boo either anthem (despite the make up of a team's roster) make no sense to me.

- BulliesPhan87

Carcillo, a messenger of Fun.

That's very unpatriotic of you. Stop hating America.

People who boo either anthem (despite the make up of a team's roster) make no sense to me.
- jmatchett383

I never boo any anthem.

Howver, "O Canada" is a great drinking song.

- BulliesPhan87

Rangers got screwed on that deal. That 7th could have been the next Tomas Hyka.

Backwards Logic: Alive and Well.
- wolfhounds

Not at all. I thought everyone was created equal until the PC people came along and said oh they're lesser than you, you shouldn't potentially offend them.