Toronto's in LTIR... so no 'decrease', as you put it. They only have 900k-ish of usable space. Flyers can only retain up to 50% of Vinny's. Hard for the math to add up, unless they're willing to give you another player in addition to Gardiner, which seems like a stretch, especially with Liles already gone, and them fighting for a PO spot. Directly trading with a team you'll probably be head-to-head in the wild card race also doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Edit: Bolland's about to come off LTIR, too.
- Tomahawk

I birdy just tweeted that your dead wrong about Vinny's contract not pro-rating because Toronto is in LTIR.

It has to do with how a team's cap space is calculated due to LTIR space not being bankable, and not with how a players cap charge, which is different from a players cap hit, is calculated for a team acquiring a player in season. A players cap charge to a team acquiring the player is the same whether a team is in LTIR or not. What changes is how much cap space a team has when using LTIR. The amount of AAV a team can take on grows when not in LTIR because of being able to bank cap space. LTIR cap space is use it or lose it on a daily basis, which is why the amount of AAV a team can acquire stays the same day after day, because LTIR Cap space is not bankable.

Sitting in dentist office and Steve Harvey show is on, showed a preview with Kevin Hart and he was sporting a sweet Flyers jacket, represent
- dillpx183

Probally and Orange Jacket to match his Orange Jordans.

Oy Vay! Kaput with the Yiddish.
- youarewrong

Capiche!

Probally and Orange Jacket to match his Orange Jordans.
- youarewrong

Kevin Hart is always wearing Philly stuff.

And some of you make me shpilkes for your trade proposals.
- PhillySportsGuy

shpilkes is more impatience, antsy. you'd say "i've got shpilkes."

- PhillySportsGuy

never get tired of watching this. happened right in front of me. i love that timander and markov were the dmen on the ice in the dying minute of their season.

What does Kadri have to do with HNIC broadcasts being in Punjabi? He's of lebanese descent.
- flyerfan48

whoopsie

I birdy just tweeted that your dead wrong about Vinny's contract not pro-rating because Toronto is in LTIR.

It has to do with how a team's cap space is calculated due to LTIR space not being bankable, and not with how a players cap charge, which is different from a players cap hit, is calculated for a team acquiring a player in season. A players cap charge to a team acquiring the player is the same whether a team is in LTIR or not. What changes is how much cap space a team has when using LTIR. The amount of AAV a team can take on grows when not in LTIR because of being able to bank cap space. LTIR cap space is use it or lose it on a daily basis, which is why the amount of AAV a team can acquire stays the same day after day, because LTIR Cap space is not bankable.
- youarewrong

Of course Vinny's cap-hit gets pro-rated. If he gets traded, it's not as if the accepting team has to pay him for the time he spent in a Flyers sweater all over again.

But, as your birdie said above, LTIR is accounted differently. The amount can't get saved for later use, it is what it is. Toronto can only replace an AAV of $970k today... Vinny makes AAV $4.5M. His pro-rated salary may decrease with each of day of the season that goes by, but his AAV will never change (unless they retain some of it).

Of course Vinny's cap-hit gets pro-rated. If he gets traded, it's not as if the accepting team has to pay him for the time he spent in a Flyers sweater again.

But, as your birdie said above, LTIR is accounted differently. The amount can't get saved for later use, it is what it is. Toronto can only replace an AAV of $970k today... Vinny makes AAV $4.5M. His pro-rated salary may decrease with each of day of the season that goes by, but his AAV will never change.
- Tomahawk

I believe you mean each game...

whoopsie
- -davies-

I believe you mean each game...
- wolfhounds

Nah, day. Cap is calculated per day of the season.

Nah, day. Cap is calculated per day of the season.
- Tomahawk

Really? It's not based upon 82 games?

Really? It's not based upon 82 games?
- wolfhounds

Yeah, guys get paid each day they're on the roster, whether there's a game or not, whether they play or not. 195 days in the season:



http://www.capgeek.com/flyers/tracker/

- tangent_man

Love the sun dress, rifle, hat ensemble, Klinger, you sexy beast.

Oy Vay! Kaput with the Yiddish.
- youarewrong

Yes please, this Goyum is feeling uncomfortable with all this chosen talk.

Yeah, guys get paid each day they're on the roster, whether there's a game or not, whether they play or not. 195 days in the season:



http://www.capgeek.com/flyers/tracker/
- Tomahawk

Odd. Seems like they make the accounting more difficult than it needs to be. But, c'est la vie.

Must be a handful for the broadcasters
- PhillySportsGuy

Their last names aren't too bad actually

Everett is only like 60 miles from the great punjabi city of Vancouver.

I wonder if this is a draw?

I think they'd rather root for Kesler and the big team.
- Marc D

They love hockey.. that's for sure.

Of course Vinny's cap-hit gets pro-rated. If he gets traded, it's not as if the accepting team has to pay him for the time he spent in a Flyers sweater all over again.

But, as your birdie said above, LTIR is accounted differently. The amount can't get saved for later use, it is what it is. Toronto can only replace an AAV of $970k today... Vinny makes AAV $4.5M. His pro-rated salary may decrease with each of day of the season that goes by, but his AAV will never change (unless they retain some of it).
- Tomahawk

Your back tracking a bit there. I never said anything about a teams bankable space. Toronto has 970 some K in LTIR. Between that, what Philly is taking back, and Vinny's pro-rated hit, it would not be difficult to make vinny fit.

Their last names aren't too bad actually
- flyerfan48

Haha, yeah. I'm dying to see some Hindus make it to the NHL...

Chattopadhyay over to Balasubramanian... Balasubramanian chips it to Radhakrishnan... HE SCORRREEEES! Radhakrishnan puts it over Viswanathan's glove, top shelf, where momma keeps the gulab jamun!

Your back tracking a bit there. I never said anything about a teams bankable space. Toronto has 970 some K in LTIR. Between that, what Philly is taking back, and Vinny's pro-rated hit, it would not be difficult to make vinny fit.
- youarewrong

Your scenario requires Toronto to bend over backwards to trade for Vinny, and the Flyers to bend over backwards to trade him away. That's the takeaway from all this.

Haha, yeah. I'm dying to see some Hindus make it to the NHL...

Chattopadhyay over to Balasubramanian... Balasubramanian chips it to Radhakrishnan... HE SCORRREEEES! Radhakrishnan puts it over Viswanathan's glove, top shelf, where momma keeps the gulab jamun!
- Tomahawk

Lol.. reported this by mistake while trying to quote.

Haha, yeah. I'm dying to see some Hindus make it to the NHL...

Chattopadhyay over to Balasubramanian... Balasubramanian chips it to Radhakrishnan... HE SCORRREEEES! Radhakrishnan puts it over Viswanathan's glove, top shelf, where momma keeps the gulab jamun!
- Tomahawk

I wonder what is a more common last name in the Tri-State area. Smith, or Patel.

Your scenario requires Toronto to bend over backwards to trade for Vinny, and the Flyers to bend over backwards to trade him away. That's the takeaway from all this.
- Tomahawk

Toronto would be happy to bend over to take Vinny.

Your scenario requires Toronto to bend over backwards to trade for Vinny, and the Flyers to bend over backwards to trade him away. That's the takeaway from all this.
- Tomahawk

Patel to Gupta, back to Chandrakesh, He shoots and scores.