Yeah, it was a weird play. The defenseman (maybe Steve "first rounder" Eminger) was standing right in front of Huet with the puck on his stick. Thoresen laid a clean hit on him, and the defenseman got knocked into Huet. The puck squirted out to Sami who had a wide open net.
- jmatchett383

i remember the play very well, just not that thoreson was the one who bumped eminger into huet. i was shocked the goal was allowed to stand.

Kick me while I'm down...


- wolfhounds

that's really violent. i would never do that. as far as you know.

it's been around 30 first thing in the morning, warming to the mid-high 50s in the afternoon. sun. dry. it's lovely.

i remember the play very well, just not that thoreson was the one who bumped eminger into huet. i was shocked the goal was allowed to stand.
- hammarby31

I've heard a few people say that the goal shouldn't have counted. But really, there was nothing illegal. He made a clean check on the player. The goalie's mask never came off, and no Philadelphia player interfered with his ability to make a save.

I just read over some of the rules of Olympic hockey and did not realize that goalies to can play the puck wherever, trapezoid does not exist.

This would be awesome to see


- Streit2ThePoint

john davidson was doing the color on that broadcast. he was dying when roy did that.

I've heard a few people say that the goal shouldn't have counted. But really, there was nothing illegal. He made a clean check on the player. The goalie's mask never came off, and no Philadelphia player interfered with his ability to make a save.
- jmatchett383

i agree...i'm saying as a flyers fan, i was shocked it counted.

i agree...i'm saying as a flyers fan, i was shocked it counted.
- hammarby31

Ah, okay, gotcha.

I would try to move Mezsaros for anything. I would also move Timmonen if we got a deal that could not be passed up. I want Gustafsson to play the rest of the way. That way they can make a decision on him based from him playing with guys that will probably be here next year.

I do not see the Flyers doing a whole lot. Hold onto the young talent and trade away players that wont be here next year if you can. Continue to build with the young forwards and hope that one or two of the D prospects is top pairing.
- mickel25

People said that about the 2010 Flyers and they went to the finals. If the Flyers play like they did in last 4 games, they can go far in the playoffs. They need to get hot at the right time and have luck on their side as well

I just read over some of the rules of Olympic hockey and did not realize that goalies to can play the puck wherever, trapezoid does not exist.

This would be awesome to see


- Streit2ThePoint

Oh yea! Goalie joins the rush NHL Hitz Style

People said that about the 2010 Flyers and they went to the finals. If the Flyers play like they did in last 4 games, they can go far in the playoffs. They need to get hot at the right time and have luck on their side as well
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That team also had one of the best top-4's in hockey (maybe the best). This team can get by for a while and maybe pull an upset if they catch fire. But winning 4 rounds with this defense is a long shot, to say the least.

I see this team just missing the playoffs given how tough their schedule is after the Olympics, but maybe this will be the year they finally get lucky in the lottery.

So I just ran a correlation between shot differential and a team's place in the standings and there is a slightly negative correlation. Meaning teams with a worse shot differential are doing better in the standings.

I mention this because Corsi uses shots for and shots against as a means to evaluate defenseman sometimes.

In all seriousness, though, Thoresen has been a very good offensive player everywhere -- junior hockey, AHL, Europe, major international hockey -- but the NHL. For whatever reason, when he was playing in the NHL, he couldn't shot the puck into the ocean when he had scoring chances. But he's always had speed and hands.
- bmeltzer

I really liked his game & thought he just needed some time to build some confidence. Plus when you take a shot from Ovi(or was it Green) where he took one you get a lot of respect from me.

I'm also interested in seeing Branko Radivojevic play again.

So I just ran a correlation between shot differential and a team's place in the standings and there is a slightly negative correlation. Meaning teams with a worse shot differential are doing better in the standings.

I mention this because Corsi uses shots for and shots against as a means to evaluate defenseman sometimes.
- PhillySportsGuy

That's one of the reasons I don't like Corsi. I'd rather have Mason stop 10 unscreened wristers from the point as opposed to one cross-crease pass down low. The Rangers (2009 onward) and Devils (mid-90s through early 2000s) made a killing this way. They'd give up 35 low-percentage shots, take 15, and win 4-2.

That's one of the reasons I don't like Corsi. I'd rather have Mason stop 10 unscreened wristers from the point as opposed to one cross-crease pass down low. The Rangers (2009 onward) and Devils (mid-90s through early 2000s) made a killing this way. They'd give up 35 low-percentage shots, take 15, and win 4-2.
- jmatchett383

Exactly. The only way to truly measure performance of a defenseman is to chart scoring chances for and against. When doing that, there is human error involved.

Coincidentally, Shots For produced a slightly negative correlation and shots against produced a very weak positive correlation.

Basically, shots can't be used as an accurate description of how well a team is playing or not playing.

The Leafs have a -8.4 shot differential and are 10th in standings.

In all seriousness, though, Thoresen has been a very good offensive player everywhere -- junior hockey, AHL, Europe, major international hockey -- but the NHL. For whatever reason, when he was playing in the NHL, he couldn't shot the puck into the ocean when he had scoring chances. But he's always had speed and hands.
- bmeltzer

I never saw Thoresen while he was a Flyer, but as you say, he has done quite well other places. He has been in the KHL for the last four seasons and has averaged a at a point per game there. Same goes for the 2 seasons before that in a swiss league and the AHL respectively.

I know that he has alot of interest in returning to the NHL, but given the amount of money he is making as a top scorer in the KHL, and with his poor track record in the NHL(and therefore an unwillingness from cap castrated NHL teams to spend) it is not easy for him. He has a clause in his contract that allows him to return if the right NHL offer comes along. He is a little picky in my opinion, he has stated that he wants a one way contract to boot.

Think there is a place for him with an NHL franchise?

Looking forward to the olympics. First match for me will be Canada-Norway... Aside from Thoresen and Zuccarello our star players are long and far between. Will be fun though!




Edit: don't flame me for naming Thoresen a star player. To us, he is just that.

I never saw Thoresen while he was a Flyer, but as you say, he has done quite well other places. He has been in the KHL for the last four seasons and has averaged a at a point per game there. Same goes for the 2 seasons before that in a swiss league and the AHL respectively.

I know that he has alot of interest in returning to the NHL, but given the amount of money he is making as a top scorer in the KHL, and with his poor track record in the NHL(and therefore an unwillingness from cap castrated NHL teams to spend) it is not easy for him. He has a clause in his contract that allows him to return if the right NHL offer comes along.

Think there is a place for him with an NHL franchise?

Looking forward to the olympics. First match for me will be Canada-Norway... Aside from Thoresen and Zuccarello our star players are long and far between. Will be fun though!




Edit: don't flame me for naming Thoresen a star player. To us, he is just that.
- Bearintheforest

Thoresen's best chance to get back into the NHL would be to sign an AHL-only contract and hope that there is a spot for him in the lineup that gets him an NHL contract, much like what happened with Vandevelde.

And yes, when it comes to European leagues and international competition, he is a star. He usually does fairly well at international competitions. I think he led the World Championships in scoring a few years ago.

Exactly. The only way to truly measure performance of a defenseman is to chart scoring chances for and against. When doing that, there is human error involved.

Coincidentally, Shots For produced a slightly negative correlation and shots against produced a very weak positive correlation.

Basically, shots can't be used as an accurate description of how well a team is playing or not playing.

The Leafs have a -8.4 shot differential and are 10th in standings.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think that to be precise, would be to say that Corsi doesn't neccessarily correlate to winning or losing. It's simply about possession. It tells you what's happening out on the ice, not how it happened.
But your first point is correct in my opinion. Coaches look at actual game film, and see where the actual breakdowns occur.

I think that to be precise, would be to say that Corsi doesn't neccessarily correlate to winning or losing. It's simply about possession. It tells you what's happening out on the ice, not how it happened.
But your first point is correct in my opinion. Coaches look at actual game film, and see where the actual breakdowns occur.
- MJL

It was in reference to an article earlier about Tom Gilbert who is having a good season. Corsi uses shots for and shots against as an indicator on how well Gilbert has played and how his good season was somewhat 'predictable'

So, can someone explain how the playoffs work? As I understand it, there is the #2/#3 matchup from each division, the top seed plays the bottom wild card, and the other division winner plays the top wild card. But what happens after? Is there a reseeding? Do they have a fixed bracket where the 2/3 matchups plays the winner of their respective division winner (i.e. a #3 could play the 7/8 seed)?

It was in reference to an article earlier about Tom Gilbert who is having a good season. Corsi uses shots for and shots against as an indicator on how well Gilbert has played and how his good season was somewhat 'predictable'
- PhillySportsGuy

I know, I read the article. I thought it was a good article.

So, can someone explain how the playoffs work? As I understand it, there is the #2/#3 matchup from each division, the top seed plays the bottom wild card, and the other division winner plays the top wild card. But what happens after? Is there a reseeding? Do they have a fixed bracket where the 2/3 matchups plays the winner of their respective division winner (i.e. a #3 could play the 7/8 seed)?
- jmatchett383

Thats a good question. I never thought about the second round.

Do they have a fixed bracket where the 2/3 matchups plays the winner of their respective division winner (i.e. a #3 could play the 7/8 seed)?
- jmatchett383

I think so. So with the current standings, the Metro playoffs would be:

Pittsburgh v Detroit
Rangers vs Philly

With the winners playing each other for the division championship, and a spot in the Eastern conference finals. It's a dumb system, and I would much prefer they go back to the top 8 from each conference making the playoffs with the two regular season division leaders getting the top two seeds.

Then the current Eastern playoffs would be:

1 Pittsburgh v 8 Detroit
2 Boston v 7 Philly
3 Tampa v 6 Rangers
4 Montreal v 5 Toronto

I think so. So with the current standings, the Metro playoffs would be:

Pittsburgh v Detroit
Rangers vs Philly

With the winners playing each other for the division championship, and a spot in the Eastern conference finals. It's a dumb system, and I would much prefer they go back to the top 8 from each conference making the playoffs with the two regular season division leaders getting the top two seeds.

Then the current Eastern playoffs would be:

1 Pittsburgh v 8 Detroit
2 Boston v 7 Philly
3 Tampa v 6 Rangers
4 Montreal v 5 Toronto
- Feanor

When you put it that way, I'm a fan of the divisional playoffs.

I think so. So with the current standings, the Metro playoffs would be:

Pittsburgh v Detroit
Rangers vs Philly

With the winners playing each other for the division championship, and a spot in the Eastern conference finals. It's a dumb system, and I would much prefer they go back to the top 8 from each conference making the playoffs with the two regular season division leaders getting the top two seeds.

Then the current Eastern playoffs would be:

1 Pittsburgh v 8 Detroit
2 Boston v 7 Philly
3 Tampa v 6 Rangers
4 Montreal v 5 Toronto
- Feanor

When you put it that way, I'm a fan of the divisional playoffs.
- jmatchett383