i keep saying it. if you guys add that one defender with some puck skills, it will have positive effects up and down the lineup. the offensive players will be in better positions to do what they need to do. the other defenders will be able to focus more on being positionally sound.
- stayinthefnnet

Music to my ears man

i was just thinking what this series looks like if we have the rags top pair and all our current guys shift down
- hogweed

phew. top pair. now youre getting greedy haha

but i mean sign me up for that as well?

you give either the pens or flyers the rags top pair, at no cost, and i say either team can at the very least hang with boston.

i was just thinking what this series looks like if we have the rags top pair and all our current guys shift down
- hogweed

I'd kill a few kittens to find out

Music to my ears man
- Just5

just being in philly and wanting to watch hockey, i watch pretty much every flyers game. its apparent in the regular season for sure, and every teams weakness becomes more glaring in the playoffs.

honestly, the only flyers forward who i think actually gets better when tasked with taking the puck himself is voracek. he strikes me as a running back who gets better with more carries. but other than that, you look at a guy like simmonds. want the hell out of him, but he cannot create anything on his own, and he never will. even giroux. he gets burdened with a lot, id much rather have him just worry about setting up along the wall and running a half ice show. hes lethal that way.

instead, the options are either 1. try to complete stretch pass after stretch pass through a team waiting to pick it off in the neutral zone. (typically the pens route, god knows (frank)ing why.) 2. watch guys that arent physically able to skate it out try to bring it up. those results are usually the most damning. or 3. have the forwards come back for shorter outlets and bring it up slowly.

number 3 is the best out of the bunch, and it usually wont kill you, but it prevents the offensive stars from doing what they do best. long post, but thats what law school will do to your brain. anything to procrastinate

Grass is always greener on the other side. With some Flyers fans the players on other teams are always better. And if Giroux was the player on Colorado, and we had McKinnon. It would be let's trade for Giroux. All last Summer your position was Coburn has to be traded, for whatever we can get for him, because he's a bum. Where would this defense be without Coburn? And trading Coburn, just to trade him, would've been a colossal mistake.

So who the the whipping boy for this Summer?
- MJL

Last Summer was Bryz, wasn't it? I always thought Coburn sucked but this season he improved his play greatly aside from that God awful pass to Gill. I'd have to be offered something special to trade him right now. Problem is our passing and ability to sustain pressure. Hartnell right now is like an anchor holding back the top line. He just is not playing well. It just seems like whenever Hartnell has the puck it ends up being turned over.

just being in philly and wanting to watch hockey, i watch pretty much every flyers game. its apparent in the regular season for sure, and every teams weakness becomes more glaring in the playoffs.

honestly, the only flyers forward who i think actually gets better when tasked with taking the puck himself is voracek. he strikes me as a running back who gets better with more carries. but other than that, you look at a guy like simmonds. want the hell out of him, but he cannot create anything on his own, and he never will. even giroux. he gets burdened with a lot, id much rather have him just worry about setting up along the wall and running a half ice show. hes lethal that way.

instead, the options are either 1. try to complete stretch pass after stretch pass through a team waiting to pick it off in the neutral zone. (typically the pens route, god knows (frank)ing why.) 2. watch guys that arent physically able to skate it out try to bring it up. those results are usually the most damning. or 3. have the forwards come back for shorter outlets and bring it up slowly.

number 3 is the best out of the bunch, and it usually wont kill you, but it prevents the offensive stars from doing what they do best. long post, but thats what law school will do to your brain. anything to procrastinate
- stayinthefnnet

I will say it again and again. But the Flyers desperately need to hit on Gostisbehre. If you have a Dman that can skate the puck up the ice by himself with speed, now you have a completely different dynamic with your team. Your right it must get old to these forwards, being tasked with carrying the puck 75% up the ice all the time, aside from the Streit carry in or pinch every once in a while.

We saw it on the Streit goal from Voracek a couple games ago. When you have a dman like that, now the other team is on guard.

I will say it again and again. But the Flyers desperately need to hit on Gostisbehre. If you have a Dman that can skate the puck up the ice by himself with speed, now you have a completely different dynamic with your team. Your right it must get old to these forwards, being tasked with carrying the puck 75% up the ice all the time, aside from the Streit carry in or pinch every once in a while.

We saw it on the Streit goal from Voracek a couple games ago. When you have a dman like that, now the other team is on guard.
- Just5

totally agree man. i just think its an awful lot of pressure to put on the kid. there needs to be some sort of contingency plan. i still think it would be in their best interest to try and move one of the forwards in a deal for a guy if possible. i understand you cant make something be available that isnt, but id be damn trying.

just being in philly and wanting to watch hockey, i watch pretty much every flyers game. its apparent in the regular season for sure, and every teams weakness becomes more glaring in the playoffs.

honestly, the only flyers forward who i think actually gets better when tasked with taking the puck himself is voracek. he strikes me as a running back who gets better with more carries. but other than that, you look at a guy like simmonds. want the hell out of him, but he cannot create anything on his own, and he never will. even giroux. he gets burdened with a lot, id much rather have him just worry about setting up along the wall and running a half ice show. hes lethal that way.

instead, the options are either 1. try to complete stretch pass after stretch pass through a team waiting to pick it off in the neutral zone. (typically the pens route, god knows (frank)ing why.) 2. watch guys that arent physically able to skate it out try to bring it up. those results are usually the most damning. or 3. have the forwards come back for shorter outlets and bring it up slowly.

number 3 is the best out of the bunch, and it usually wont kill you, but it prevents the offensive stars from doing what they do best. long post, but thats what law school will do to your brain. anything to procrastinate
- stayinthefnnet

Flyers haven't had a Letang/Gonchar (younger verison) puck carrying d-men in a very long time. We're hoping Ghost can become that type of defensemen. If he does, he would add such a unique skill level to this team, which we as fans don't see very often.

Also, what the heck is B. Schenn. A LW winger or a center? I'm glad they moved him up with G and Voracek, I hope I see it again Tuesday night.

i PVR,ed the 3RD period .... just finished watching it.....how does a team that is down by 2 goals continue to have terrible pressure nothing sustained poor passing and just poor play... if you watch most other teams that are down in the 3rd they are firing a ton of shots at the net and they pick up their play.....what has happened to our flyers this isn't the team that fought back from 1-7 at the beginning of the season... it seems they have no heart and no drive....this is becoming sad to watch... they are not going to win the series playing like this... they will be lucky to win the next game

He needs to take the handcuffs off all the guys. No more being pushed around on the ice. No more being bullied after every whistle. Screw the refs. We all know the rangers are going to get away with murder. No reason not to punch zuccerello in his face and send him 3 weeks into Monday. They should be trying to kill that little wiener. Instead, they're just skating away from everything.
- Flyersgod

You're blowin' it! Boys.

Every scout in the NHL is out there tonight with contracts in their pocket, and they're lookin' for talent, for winners!

Oh! All my years of publicity! All the fashion shows, the radiothons, for nothing?

Flyers haven't had a Letang/Gonchar (younger verison) puck carrying d-men in a very long time. We're hoping Ghost can become that type of defensemen. If he does, he would add such a unique skill level to this team, which we as fans don't see very often.

Also, what the heck is B. Schenn. A LW winger or a center? I'm glad they moved him up with G and Voracek, I hope I see it again Tuesday night.
- ravishingone

i think Richarding with B Schenn to try and accommodate vinny wasnt the best for him. and yeah, i understand the importance you guys have riding on ghost. cant say i exactly have ill will towards the kid, but i hope you guys are forced to dip into those stud forwards for the defensive answer.

i think Richarding with B Schenn to try and accommodate vinny wasnt the best for him. and yeah, i understand the importance you guys have riding on ghost. cant say i exactly have ill will towards the kid, but i hope you guys are forced to dip into those stud forwards for the defensive answer.
- stayinthefnnet

I believe they have learned from the JVR trade. Coots (21) and B. Schenn (22) trading now better be as part of a package for a Weber, Subban, or OEL. Otherwise, we will watch them reach their potential and say WTF!!!!

I believe they have learned from the JVR trade. Coots (21) and B. Schenn (22) trading now better be as part of a package for a Weber, Subban, or OEL. Otherwise, we will watch them reach their potential and say WTF!!!!
- ravishingone

We aren't getting Weber, Subban, or OEL. At least not in my opinion. The cost to land those is very high and will open up several more holes to fill that they then won't have the assets to land & we'll be right back here complaining they need this or that to move forward.

We aren't getting Weber, Subban, or OEL. At least not in my opinion. The cost to land those is very high and will open up several more holes to fill that they then won't have the assets to land & we'll be right back here complaining they need this or that to move forward.
- ob18

Yup. Pretty much stand pat. Make a hockey trade with Grossman if possible or sign veteren UFA dman.

He needs to take the handcuffs off all the guys. No more being pushed around on the ice. No more being bullied after every whistle. Screw the refs. We all know the rangers are going to get away with murder. No reason not to punch zuccerello in his face and send him 3 weeks into Monday. They should be trying to kill that little wiener. Instead, they're just skating away from everything.
- Flyersgod

The rangers get away with murder? Examples?

The rangers get away with murder? Examples?
- mjh609

No no no dont listen to him.

We aren't getting Weber, Subban, or OEL. At least not in my opinion. The cost to land those is very high and will open up several more holes to fill that they then won't have the assets to land & we'll be right back here complaining they need this or that to move forward.
- ob18

Exactly my basic point, these young forwards have room to grow and unless you are getting elite talent in return, stand pat with the young core of forwards you've already invested in a few years developing and tweak around them.

Yup. Pretty much stand pat. Make a hockey trade with Grossman if possible or sign veteren UFA dman.
- Just5

As much as it would suck or be painful it's long overdue we learn to draft better after round 1 (and this means better scouting at times) & developing them (some will take longer) but this path will allow them to at least to some degree stop overpaying in trades or free agency just to fill some need.

Exactly my basic point, these young forwards have room to grow and unless you are getting elite talent in return, stand pat with the young core of forwards you've already invested in a few years developing and tweak around them.

- ravishingone

I wasn't picking on you, if it came across as that I apologize.

I believe they have learned from the JVR trade. Coots (21) and B. Schenn (22) trading now better be as part of a package for a Weber, Subban, or OEL. Otherwise, we will watch them reach their potential and say WTF!!!!
- ravishingone

Subban is not the defenseman the flyers need. They need a guy who consistently shuts down the other teams top guys. If I'm not mistaken Subban had more than his fair share of issues defensively this year. I'm glad the rangers locked up Girardi because the flyers were most likely throwing a bunch of money at him.

As much as it would suck or be painful it's long overdue we learn to draft better after round 1 (and this means better scouting at times) & developing them (some will take longer) but this path will allow them to at least to some degree stop overpaying in trades or free agency just to fill some need.
- ob18

I said it earlier. I'm willing to, I dont know what it is sacrifice? waste? although I dont feel those are the right terms, Giroux's prime years in order to wait for this crop of young dmen.

I dont feel the need to make a shortsighted trade just for the sake of Giroux's prime years or whatever.

I was ok with everything this year except for Vinny L. That signing pisses me off. It's clear to me they had no real plan with him. They just didn't believe in B Schenn enough, when I think they should and should have focused their attention on getting him and Simmer a puck carrrying winger

Exactly my basic point, these young forwards have room to grow and unless you are getting elite talent in return, stand pat with the young core of forwards you've already invested in a few years developing and tweak around them.

- ravishingone

nothing wrong with that approach if you mind waiting a few years. i just dont think the current version of the flyers really have to.

I wasn't picking on you, if it came across as that I apologize.
- ob18

No problem, no offense taken. Btw, it is perplexing the lack of success in the draft after the first round. They certainly seem to be putting significant assets in scouting. Uncovering gems like Raffl and Bob proves their scouring the entire globe. Any ideas on the potential under lying issues?

Subban is not the defenseman the flyers need. They need a guy who consistently shuts down the other teams top guys. If I'm not mistaken Subban had more than his fair share of issues defensively this year. I'm glad the rangers locked up Girardi because the flyers were most likely throwing a bunch of money at him.
- mjh609

Girardi was a no brainer to lock up. Never thought he had a chance to hit the market. Your right in your assessment, however Subban I think is better defensively than you might give him credit for.

I said it earlier. I'm willing to, I dont know what it is sacrifice? waste? although I dont feel those are the right terms, Giroux's prime years in order to wait for this crop of young dmen.

I dont feel the need to make a shortsighted trade just for the sake of Giroux's prime years or whatever.

I was ok with everything this year except for Vinny L. That signing pisses me off. It's clear to me they had no real plan with him. They just didn't believe in B Schenn enough, when I think they should and should have focused their attention on getting him and Simmer a puck carrrying winger
- Just5

yeah exactly that. if you dont mind "wasting" maybe 3 years of giroux's prime, then i dont see why you should be in a rush to do anything.