Well Miller has been offered term and dollars so why not do it now if that is where he wants to be, fact is it is his second choice. His wife being a movie star is in California so Anaheim or San Jose are his first choices. Hiller is an ufa and will not be back. Niemi sucked but is under contract but a change may be coming in SJ anyway. Niemi could be traded and Miller brought in, however I still say it is Anaheim for Miller.
- flyerdude17

i didn't know that about him being offered something. i'm not his agent. i don't know why he hasn't signed. if it's a family thing, ok, i get it. then maybe anaheim is the landing spot.

why do you care if fans misuse them? and misusing them is your opinion. they're not making decisions and running hockey clubs, so what's the difference? can't we all just let this horse stay dead in peace?
- hammarby31

i don't do it blindly...i keep aware and do it where i think i'll be ok. watch...i'll get a (frank)ing ticket tomorrow.
- hammarby31

me too....i never got tickets out there......just state troopers coming the other way w/ radar....by the time i saw the first one it was too late to throw out the anchor.....the second one i was just getting in to 5th gear and there he was......i think i said "(frank)ing (frank)" that day too

And yet you continuously misrepresent what stats proponents say, by acting as if they believe that stats should be the primary tool for player evaluation. Nobody has said that they are anything more than a useful tool, and you flip flop from agreeing, to posting Marsh and Stewie trashing the stats, to saying that they're being mis-used.

All anyone has said is they can be a valuable tool. A hammer can be a valuable tool, but if you use it to fix a teapot, it's worthless. Stats proponents understand that.

They understand that you need a mix of players, but they place a higher value on those who can skate and be more than one dimensional shot blockers.
- Jsaquella

It's blatantly obvious when an opinion on a player, is formed from analytics. Tell me, who on this forum, has ever argued that an all around defenseman that not only can handle the physical aspects of the position, of playing defensively, in his own end. But can also handle, pass, and skate the puck with skill. And can play effectively in the offensive end, doesn't have more value to a team then a stay at home, less mobile defensive defenseman?


If you want to rate a player like Grossmann by possession stats. You might as well rate him by goals scored. Because he isn't capable of either. That's what a lot of stats proponents don't get. Doesn't mean there isn't a place for him in the League, or that he doesn't have value.
Some analytic proponents think that possession is the most important. It is not. Putting the puck in the net, and keeping it out of your net is. But a lot of the creators have argued that goals are too small of a sample size. That thinking is flawed.
Players like Nick Grossmann helps keep the puck out of your own net. Even the best of possession teams in the NHL, barely have the puck over 50% of the time. That leaves a lot of time in the game when you don't have the puck, and it's time to defend.

+Off topic but can't wait for Robert Hagg to hit North America. He will probably take |Streit's place one day.

why do you care if fans misuse them? and misusing them is your opinion. they're not making decisions and running hockey clubs, so what's the difference? can't we all just let this horse stay dead in peace?
- hammarby31

We're all giving our opinions here. I don't like it when a player is unfairly criticized, and his role is taken out of context, and judged by the same broad brush, as if every player is the same.

+Off topic but can't wait for Robert Hagg to hit North America. He will probably take |Streit's place one day.
- flyerdude17

didn't he already sign his pro deal and play for the phantoms?

Nikita Scherbak - LW - Saskatoon - 2014 NHL Draft

Scherbak is a skilled but gritty forward who has a strong shot and offensive senses plus the ability to evade would be checkers by using his quick agility and slick hands. He puts pressure on opposing defenses every game. Has some work to do with regards to rounding out his defensive game and effort levels.

- feelingkettle

this is so great. so, so great.

me too....i never got tickets out there......just state troopers coming the other way w/ radar....by the time i saw the first one it was too late to throw out the anchor.....the second one i was just getting in to 5th gear and there he was......i think i said "(frank)ing (frank)" that day too
- hogweed

It's blatantly obvious when an opinion on a player, is formed from analytics. Tell me, who on this forum, has ever argued that an all around defenseman that not only can handle the physical aspects of the position, of playing defensively, in his own end. But can also handle, pass, and skate the puck with skill. And can play effectively in the offensive end, doesn't have more value to a team then a stay at home, less mobile defensive defenseman?


If you want to rate a player like Grossmann by possession stats. You might as well rate him by goals scored. Because he isn't capable of either. That's what a lot of stats proponents don't get. Doesn't mean there isn't a place for him in the League, or that he doesn't have value.
Some analytic proponents think that possession is the most important. It is not. Putting the puck in the net, and keeping it out of your net is. But a lot of the creators have argued that goals are too small of a sample size. That thinking is flawed.
Players like Nick Grossmann helps keep the puck out of your own net. Even the best of possession teams in the NHL, barely have the puck over 50% of the time. That leaves a lot of time in the game when you don't have the puck, and it's time to defend.
- MJL

I agree with both of you, I got a couple pair of old boxing gloves that I will gladly donate, just kidding of course.
Good points both ways.

Again, they are a tool. They are not the only tool. Nobody has used them out of context.
- Jsaquella

They've been used out of context repeatedly.

We're all giving our opinions here. I don't like it when a player is unfairly criticized, and his role is taken out of context, and judged by the same broad brush, as if every player is the same.
- MJL

i know that. i'm just saying the same argument goes on day after day after day. nobody's really changing anyone's mind. just my .02.

- hammarby31

Well after two in a row you should be good to go, not likely to be a third copper.

You just gotta have that gut feeling they are up around the next corner waiting for you, touch wood but I have that sixth sense, lol.

Some days I wonder why I have chosen to for the most part step away from here.

Some days I also have painful poops.

They've been used out of context repeatedly.
- MJL

Well after two in a row you should be good to go, not likely to be a third copper.

You just gotta have that gut feeling they are up around the next corner waiting for you, touch wood but I have that sixth sense, lol.
- flyerdude17

you would think, but i drove around in third gear for like 6 weeks just to be sure.....90 year old ladies were flipping me off left and right

Four years left at $4.5mm, with an uncertain Canadian dollar that great affects the cap's rise and fall, plus various injuries that have limited his effectiveness in each of the last 4 years
- Jsaquella

After next Season, more then half of the deal is already paid out. If the Flyers pay some of that salary, and the Cap hit is more then the salary. That could have value to a team. But of course there is the NMC.
I believe he has missed 51 games since 2010. 33 of those games, were due to a broken right hand on two separate occasions. I don't believe that particular injury history would cause a team concern in acquiring him. The back issue could be another story.

i know that. i'm just saying the same argument goes on day after day after day. nobody's really changing anyone's mind. just my .02.
- hammarby31

You're right. But that's true of a lot of topics on here.

you would think, but i drove around in third gear for like 6 weeks just to be sure.....90 year old ladies were flipping me off left and right
- hogweed

You're right. But this place would have to shut down if not for that
- MJL

ftfy

i know that. i'm just saying the same argument goes on day after day after day. nobody's really changing anyone's mind. just my .02.
- hammarby31

Yeah, don't know why I bother. More frustration than it's worth.

hextall has to decide where the line is. then again, the nashville thing could work out nicely if lava really wants him. might get a better return from someone who covets the player instead of a team looking just to fill a spot or for a reclamation project.
- hammarby31

I personally feel that in the right situation, that Lecavalier is still a good player capable of putting up significant points offensively. I think the injury, and the position change, were the main issues in his disappointing Season. It would also help to play him with a play making LW, which the Flyers don't have. So if that assessment of Lecavalier is correct, I would think there would be some teams that would value that kind of player. Of course there is the back issue, and the NMC.

After next Season, more then half of the deal is already paid out. If the Flyers pay some of that salary, and the Cap hit is more then the salary. That could have value to a team. But of course there is the NMC.
I believe he has missed 51 games since 2010. 33 of those games, were due to a broken right hand on two separate occasions. I don't believe that particular injury history would cause a team concern in acquiring him. The back issue could be another story.
- MJL

After watching a Vinny interview about centering the 4th line, he looked pissed and said it is what it is and I just do my best. He will waive to go almost anywhere as long as he gets a top six role. The Leafs and Flames could use him, lol. The Isles too but not sure they would let him go there.

Well after two in a row you should be good to go, not likely to be a third copper.

You just gotta have that gut feeling they are up around the next corner waiting for you, touch wood but I have that sixth sense, lol.
- flyerdude17

a good radar detector is probably a good thing to have, too, which i don't.