This truly is desperation at it's best. I don't know why your so butt hurt by the comments I've made but at this point I would rather stick to talking about hockey. At least it has a point. So let's get into it...

I would walk away from Timonen no matter the cost. I only feel like we are delaying the inevitable by not walking away from him. He's 39 and our coaches feel like he requires rest down the stretch. Also his ice time and point production has gone down the past couple of years. If some are truly suggesting Lecavalier for Phaneuf, Timonen also has to go for this deal to be approved.

As for Lecavalier, he's gotta give the OK to go to Toronto or anywhere else. From what I can tell, you think Lecavalier isn't a good player. I disagree. You are fixated with him only playing a fouth line center role. I disagree with you. During an 82 game schedule, changes ate likely to happen up and down the line up. Is Lecavalier a limited player? Sure. He cannot play all different positions in all different situations on the ice but he can naturally score 20 when a large percentage of players cannot score ten. If Lecavalier is a limited player, expect limited options to move him. If he's a bad player, expect no options.
- SuperSchennBros

You're an angry soul.

I've seen many question Tuch because of who HE played with.
- PhillySportsGuy

If I am not mistaken both played on a line with 2015 top name Jack Eichel. I would prefer Larkin if they took any of the 3

Nice Article Bill,
I'm sure this has been covered by now, but with Alt, Ghost, Hagg, and Morin in our system, I think we are set with upcoming Defense prospects. Our Forwards are Laughtion, Lier and Akeson. I think we will need to focus on what we draft best again.

who's this matt hatch kid we signed?! 5"11?!
- iroc4me2

Not much of anything. He provides speed and grittiness to the Phantoms lineup. Perhaps, he will take some of the defensive burden away from the guys like Straka and Cousins who will be expected to score.

He's a former teammate of Ghost on Union. It will provide him with a familiar face in the locker room.

You're an angry soul.
- PhillySportsGuy

When you're ready to talk hockey at a mature level, I'll be more then willing to do so.

Not much of anything. He provides speed and grittiness to the Phantoms lineup. Perhaps, he will take some of the defensive burden away from the guys like Straka and Cousins who will be expected to score.

He's a former teammate of Ghost on Union. It will provide him with a familiar face in the locker room.
- PhillySportsGuy

Thank you sir

If I am not mistaken both played on a line with 2015 top name Jack Eichel. I would prefer Larkin if they took any of the 3
- ob18

Yeah. Adam French really tears Tuch a new one.

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When you're ready to talk hockey at a mature level, I'll be more then willing to do so.
- SuperSchennBros

If I am not mistaken both played on a line with 2015 top name Jack Eichel. I would prefer Larkin if they took any of the 3
- ob18

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- Jsaquella

- ob18

You think they can trade down a bit and add another top 45 pick?

You think they can trade down a bit and add another top 45 pick?
- Jsaquella

Yes, especially if Hexy is true to his word about adding prospects and developing. Of course that may not be needed if say they can't come close to terms on a new deal with Schenn and opt to move him or somebody else.

Yes, especially if Hexy is true to his word about adding prospects and developing. Of course that may not be needed if say they can't come close to terms on a new deal with Schenn and opt to move him or somebody else.
- ob18

That's a factor as well. Not that they'll make a move at the draft, splash or otherwise, but the potential for a trade is always out there.

When you're ready to talk hockey at a mature level, I'll be more then willing to do so.
- SuperSchennBros

Kimmo Timonen

He and Coburn saw the toughest assignments throughout the season and playoffs. He's one of the few semi-reliable defenseman the Flyers have. The idea that this team could get better if they let Timonen walk is absurd. The number of FA defenseman better than Timonen can be counted on one hand and each of those guys is going to get a multi-year deal for more money than Timonen. If he were able to be slotted into the 2nd or (gasp!) third pair, he would look a lot better. He's not capable of defending top lines anymore. Most 40 year olds aren't. That doesn't mean he's useless.

Lecavalier

The Flyers did everything they could to get him going. He, literally, made every player worse that he played with. Every line got worse when he joined them as a center or winger. At this point in his career, he is a PP specialist who can't be relied on for any semblance of two-way play. He's injury prone and has missed significant time for 4 straight years.

Look at the two teams remaining. They are made up of 4 strong, two-way lines. They don't have "offensive specialists" who can only be deployed against certain players at certain positions on the ice.

In order for VL to be effective, he would need the perfect system, perfect linemates and sheltered minutes. Why should the team go to great lengths to appease one player instead of just trying to get rid of him. Some team will bite if the Flyers eat some salary.

Kimmo Timonen

He and Coburn saw the toughest assignments throughout the season and playoffs. He's one of the few semi-reliable defenseman the Flyers have. The idea that this team could get better if they let Timonen walk is absurd. The number of FA defenseman better than Timonen can be counted on one hand and each of those guys is going to get a multi-year deal for more money than Timonen. If he were able to be slotted into the 2nd or (gasp!) third pair, he would look a lot better. He's not capable of defending top lines anymore. Most 40 year olds aren't. That doesn't mean he's useless.

Lecavalier

The Flyers did everything they could to get him going. He, literally, made every player worse that he played with. Every line got worse when he joined them as a center or winger. At this point in his career, he is a PP specialist who can't be relied on for any semblance of two-way play. He's injury prone and has missed significant time for 4 straight years.

Look at the two teams remaining. They are made up of 4 strong, two-way lines. They don't have "offensive specialists" who can only be deployed against certain players at certain positions on the ice.

In order for VL to be effective, he would need the perfect system, perfect linemates and sheltered minutes. Why should the team go to great lengths to appease one player instead of just trying to get rid of him. Some team will bite if the Flyers eat some salary.
- PhillySportsGuy

You are being way too mature

You are being way too mature
- BiggE

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This truly is desperation at it's best. I don't know why your so butt hurt by the comments I've made but at this point I would rather stick to talking about hockey. At least it has a point. So let's get into it...

I would walk away from Timonen no matter the cost. I only feel like we are delaying the inevitable by not walking away from him. He's 39 and our coaches feel like he requires rest down the stretch. Also his ice time and point production has gone down the past couple of years. If some are truly suggesting Lecavalier for Phaneuf, Timonen also has to go for this deal to be approved.


- SuperSchennBros

If better options don't present themselves, and Timonen can still play at a solid level. What is the problem with signing him to another one year deal? The question that has to be asked, is if better options aren't available. Does resigning Timonen for one year make the Flyers a better team? I would argue yes. And there are no future issues to worry about, as it would only be a one year deal.

Kimmo Timonen

He and Coburn saw the toughest assignments throughout the season and playoffs. He's one of the few semi-reliable defenseman the Flyers have. The idea that this team could get better if they let Timonen walk is absurd. The number of FA defenseman better than Timonen can be counted on one hand and each of those guys is going to get a multi-year deal for more money than Timonen. If he were able to be slotted into the 2nd or (gasp!) third pair, he would look a lot better. He's not capable of defending top lines anymore. Most 40 year olds aren't. That doesn't mean he's useless.

Lecavalier

The Flyers did everything they could to get him going. He, literally, made every player worse that he played with. Every line got worse when he joined them as a center or winger. At this point in his career, he is a PP specialist who can't be relied on for any semblance of two-way play. He's injury prone and has missed significant time for 4 straight years.

Look at the two teams remaining. They are made up of 4 strong, two-way lines. They don't have "offensive specialists" who can only be deployed against certain players at certain positions on the ice.

In order for VL to be effective, he would need the perfect system, perfect linemates and sheltered minutes. Why should the team go to great lengths to appease one player instead of just trying to get rid of him. Some team will bite if the Flyers eat some salary.
- PhillySportsGuy

You have made several logical and well thought out points here. They have no place in this forum.

Kimmo Timonen

He and Coburn saw the toughest assignments throughout the season and playoffs. He's one of the few semi-reliable defenseman the Flyers have. The idea that this team could get better if they let Timonen walk is absurd. The number of FA defenseman better than Timonen can be counted on one hand and each of those guys is going to get a multi-year deal for more money than Timonen. If he were able to be slotted into the 2nd or (gasp!) third pair, he would look a lot better. He's not capable of defending top lines anymore. Most 40 year olds aren't. That doesn't mean he's useless.

Lecavalier

The Flyers did everything they could to get him going. He, literally, made every player worse that he played with. Every line got worse when he joined them as a center or winger. At this point in his career, he is a PP specialist who can't be relied on for any semblance of two-way play. He's injury prone and has missed significant time for 4 straight years.

Look at the two teams remaining. They are made up of 4 strong, two-way lines. They don't have "offensive specialists" who can only be deployed against certain players at certain positions on the ice.

In order for VL to be effective, he would need the perfect system, perfect linemates and sheltered minutes. Why should the team go to great lengths to appease one player instead of just trying to get rid of him. Some team will bite if the Flyers eat some salary.
- PhillySportsGuy

Timonen

Let's say we do resign Timonen, how long do we keep resigning him beyond this season until a bonafide number one defenseman comes along and how do we aquire him? Do you still view Timonen as a ligit number one defenseman? Should Timonen play for us this season, what if he doesn't play up to the level we're all accustomed to? I thought Kimmo Timonen was our worst player in the playoffs. Not our worst defenseman, our worst player.

Lecavalier

I totally admit Lecavalier had a rough season but I'm not gonna go as far as saying that he's a bad player. To say this and simply expect him to magically disappear from our roster and on to another is asinine. Lecavalier has to be okay with both leaving and where he's going. He was expecting to possibly spend the rest of his career in Philadelphia.

So how do you expect to move Lecavalier? What lengths and effort do you feel the organization is going to in order to convince him to go? Just one year ago they were trying to convince him to come here for at least five years.

Let me ask you, what is your idea of getting Vincent Lecavalier going? What are you expect for him? Find the fountain of youth and simply tell him not to get hurt? What is the difference between Lecavalier of his past three seasons in Tampa Bay from Lecavalier from this year in Philly?

What kind of gang raping the English language bizarro land do you hail from? Where I come from we would burn you at the stake for your witchcraft and spells.
- MBFlyerfan

Pennsylvania Dutch. Lancaster County. It makes me angry.

Lecavalier

The Flyers did everything they could to get him going. He, literally, made every player worse that he played with. Every line got worse when he joined them as a center or winger. At this point in his career, he is a PP specialist who can't be relied on for any semblance of two-way play. He's injury prone and has missed significant time for 4 straight years.

Look at the two teams remaining. They are made up of 4 strong, two-way lines. They don't have "offensive specialists" who can only be deployed against certain players at certain positions on the ice.

In order for VL to be effective, he would need the perfect system, perfect linemates and sheltered minutes. Why should the team go to great lengths to appease one player instead of just trying to get rid of him. Some team will bite if the Flyers eat some salary.
- PhillySportsGuy

I would disagree that over the course of the entire season, Lecavalier made every one he played with worse. And that every line got worse. This is selective memory. And ignores how Lecavalier played before the injury and the position change. I have no problem with criticism of Lecavalier, nor do I have an issue with anyone suggesting they trade him. There are definite questions of whether he can get healthy and get back to where he was before the injury. And where he fits in the lineup, and if they have the players to compliment him. That all has merit. But this idea that he's just a PP specialist at this point, is premature. And certainly not a fact. Nor is it a fact that he is injury prone. Let's look at the facts concerning his injuries in the last 4 years. Since the 10/11 Season, he has missed 55 games, due to various injuries. 33 of those games, were due to two separate broken hand injuries. Injuries that could happen to any player, and do not point to being an injury prone player. He missed a game with a facial injury. And he missed 12 games due to minor LBI injuries. The only injury that is a concern going forward, is the back injury. So in my opinion, I think it is misleading to call him injury prone.
As far as playing him in the right spot, in the right role, and against the right matchups. That's true of the overwhelming majority of players in the NHL. And is true for many of the players on the Flyers roster. Doesn't make anyone a bad player.
I agree that having every player on the team, a solid 2 way player, would make the Flyers a better team. And I agree that is a legitimate reason for moving Lecavalier. But this idea that he is washed up, and his play on the ice was the result of just being a PP specialist, who makes every player and every line worse, while ignoring all the circumstances behind his season, is a biased and an incomplete viewpoint. And ignores the possibility that Lecavalier can come back in good shape, and stronger, and regain his game. Any unbiased opinion without prejudice has to include that possibility. How one half of a season can trump a distinguished career is mind boggling.

Kimmo Timonen

He and Coburn saw the toughest assignments throughout the season and playoffs. He's one of the few semi-reliable defenseman the Flyers have. The idea that this team could get better if they let Timonen walk is absurd. The number of FA defenseman better than Timonen can be counted on one hand and each of those guys is going to get a multi-year deal for more money than Timonen. If he were able to be slotted into the 2nd or (gasp!) third pair, he would look a lot better. He's not capable of defending top lines anymore. Most 40 year olds aren't. That doesn't mean he's useless.

Lecavalier

The Flyers did everything they could to get him going. He, literally, made every player worse that he played with. Every line got worse when he joined them as a center or winger. At this point in his career, he is a PP specialist who can't be relied on for any semblance of two-way play. He's injury prone and has missed significant time for 4 straight years.

Look at the two teams remaining. They are made up of 4 strong, two-way lines. They don't have "offensive specialists" who can only be deployed against certain players at certain positions on the ice.

In order for VL to be effective, he would need the perfect system, perfect linemates and sheltered minutes. Why should the team go to great lengths to appease one player instead of just trying to get rid of him. Some team will bite if the Flyers eat some salary.
- PhillySportsGuy

Litrilly

You have made several logical and well thought out points here. They have no place in this forum.
- Jsaquella

Any discussion of Lecavalier and his season last year, has to consider both the injury and the position change as a big factor. If it doesn't, then it is biased.

If better options don't present themselves, and Timonen can still play at a solid level. What is the problem with signing him to another one year deal? The question that has to be asked, is if better options aren't available. Does resigning Timonen for one year make the Flyers a better team? I would argue yes. And there are no future issues to worry about, as it would only be a one year deal.
- MJL

Does Kimmo Timonen want to re-sign or does he want to retired? I've heard retirement since 2012. So how many years in a row can we convince him to come back until a suitable replacement shows himself? This is reality. Life after Timonen, we still have to convince a replacement to come here or draft a replacement, which might take time to develop.

Does Kimmo Timonen want to re-sign or does he want to retired? I've heard retirement since 2012. So how many years in a row can we convince him to come back until a suitable replacement shows himself? This is reality. Life after Timonen, we still have to convince a replacement to come here or draft a replacement, which might take time to develop.
- SuperSchennBros

Signing Timonen to a one year deal is not going to stop the team from developing other defenseman. And if Timonen decides to retire, it's all moot.