For all we know Hextall's only input on the MacDonald signing was insisting that he didn't get any sort of NTC/NMC.

Last draft the Oilers keep pestering us about Coburn and making crappy offers, but now they have missed the playoffs yet again and we have another minute-eating defenseman who's not as good as Coburn, but is locked up for six years. And their only signed defensive veteran is Andrew Ference.
- Feanor

It would be so (frank)ed up of the Flyers to send him to Edmonton. I'm not against trading him, but good luck getting any player to sign without a NMC.

For all we know Hextall's only input on the MacDonald signing was insisting that he didn't get any sort of NTC/NMC.
- Feanor

For all we know, he wasn't on board with it at all.

You really just pull at the tiniest string you can find to start an argument don't you? You don't even make an argument. You just keep the other person running in circles....
- FlyersSteve118

I'm pretty sure this is all a ruse and he's just (frank)ing with us.

It was such a great trade and signing that it got Holmgren a promotion.
- PLindbergh31

At the end of it, I am cool with MacDonald. Just not a fan of that contract because I think it makes him kind of untrade-able in a fair deal. You basically married yourself to him.

Don't like the assets that were given up to bring him here, when you essentially overpaid his ass anyway. Might as well have waited to FA. He isn't the kind of guy you weep over if he signs elsewhere.

He's a 6 dressed up as a 9. One of those chicks you do it with, but don't tell anyone.

I'm pretty sure this is all a ruse and he's just (frank)ing with us.
- PhillySportsGuy

Probably a Rangers fan on here to piss off the Flyers fans when he gets bored with life.

It would be so (frank)ed up of the Flyers to send him to Edmonton. I'm not against trading him, but good luck getting any player to sign without a NMC.
- PhillySportsGuy

Meh, he got his $30 million. If he wanted security he should have asked for less cash/term in exchange for a NTC.

Simmer and Voracek are young, improving, core players.

If a signed AMac can get you a RFA Jake Gardiner or RFA Jeff Petry+ from teams that are notoriously in need of 'improving' on the defensive side of the puck, I'm guessing Hexy would be pretty interested in a move like that. Makes sense from both the cap and hockey angles.
- Tomahawk

I think you're guessing. I think MacDonald is both a player that is better then both of those players. And MacDonald is also a young, improving, core player.

Probably a Rangers fan on here to piss off the Flyers fans when he gets bored with life.
- FlyersSteve118

*Rangerdanger

It would be so (frank)ed up of the Flyers to send him to Edmonton. I'm not against trading him, but good luck getting any player to sign without a NMC.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think if they make that kind of trade do you think they have a talk with MacDonald first and ask him to OK the trade? Think that improves how bad it looks regardless of how "classy" they try to make it?

At the end of it, I am cool with MacDonald. Just not a fan of that contract because I think it makes him kind of untrade-able in a fair deal. You basically married yourself to him.

Just don't like the assets that were given up to bring him here, when you essentially overpaid his ass anyway. Might as well have waited to FA. He isn't the kind of guy you weep over if he signs elsewhere.

He's a 6 dressed up as a 9. One of those chicks you do it with, but don't tell anyone.
- flyer_nutter

I'm not a fan of throwing long term deals at big dollars for dmen who aren't difference makers.

The only metric MacDonald excels at is blocking shots. That skillset can certainly have a shelf life. Blocking that many shots almost guarantees an injury at some point.

Meh, he got his $30 million. If he wanted security he should have asked for less cash/term in exchange for a NTC.
- Feanor

I'm just saying that it's likely to hurt future negotiations with players

At the end of it, I am cool with MacDonald. Just not a fan of that contract because I think it makes him kind of untrade-able in a fair deal. You basically married yourself to him.

Don't like the assets that were given up to bring him here, when you essentially overpaid his ass anyway. Might as well have waited to FA. He isn't the kind of guy you weep over if he signs elsewhere.

He's a 6 dressed up as a 9. One of those chicks you do it with, but don't tell anyone.
- flyer_nutter

He's not untradeable if he plays well. His contract is not a big deal. 5M a year is nothing these days. As the Cap grows, it gets smaller and smaller. It's thought of as this monster deal when it really isn't. As salaries continue to inflate, his deal gets better and better.

I think if they make that kind of trade do you think they have a talk with MacDonald first and ask him to OK the trade? Think that improves how bad it looks regardless of how "classy" they try to make it?
- FlyersSteve118

I see no scenario in which MacDonald would be fine with a trade to the Oilers.

Flyers would be better off not asking him at all. It looks even worse if they ask him and he says no, then, go ahead and trade him anyway. Lol.

Flyers: How would you feel about a trade to Edmonton!?

Amac: I would be highly against this.

Flyers: Oh, well, we traded you anyway.

I'm not a fan of throwing long term deals at big dollars for dmen who aren't difference makers.

The only metric MacDonald excels at is blocking shots. That skillset can certainly have a shelf life. Blocking that many shots almost guarantees an injury at some point.
- PLindbergh31

MacDonald is a solid all around puck moving defenseman. He makes a very good first pass, and is adept at buying himself space and time to make an outlet to alleviate pressure. He is also sound in defensive zone coverage, as well as able to chip in some points offensively. He absolutely makes the Flyers a better team.

I'm not a fan of throwing long term deals at big dollars for dmen who aren't difference makers.

The only metric MacDonald excels at is blocking shots. That skillset can certainly have a shelf life. Blocking that many shots almost guarantees an injury at some point.
- PLindbergh31

MacDonald actually gets a lot of credited blocked shots through his stick, but the thing about blocked shots is in order to generate a lot of them, you have to shot at a lot. I think it should be calculated as a % and not a total amount, but it is what it is.

He's not untradeable if he plays well. His contract is not a big deal. 5M a year is nothing these days. As the Cap grows, it gets smaller and smaller. It's thought of as this monster deal when it really isn't. As salaries continue to inflate, his deal gets better and better.
- MJL

Honestly I don't mind the player and contract that much. Don't like it but don't hate it.

I do dislike giving up assets to bring him in via trade when they overpaid for him in the end anyway. The guy was hitting FA by all accounts. Draft picks need to hold more value in Flyer land in the future.

I see no scenario in which MacDonald would be fine with a trade to the Oilers.

Flyers would be better off not asking him at all. It looks even worse if they ask him and he says no, then, go ahead and trade him anyway. Lol.
- PhillySportsGuy

Like, what is he going to say? He doesn't have a no trade clause, correct?

His agent likely negotiated that away for more coin/term.

I see no scenario in which MacDonald would be fine with a trade to the Oilers.

Flyers would be better off not asking him at all. It looks even worse if they ask him and he says no, then, go ahead and trade him anyway. Lol.

Flyers: How would you feel about a trade to Edmonton!?

Amac: I would be highly against this.

Flyers: Oh, well, we traded you anyway.
- PhillySportsGuy

Lol. Well I meant, if he says no, canceling the trade or not looking for a trade to begin with.

I'm just saying that it's likely to hurt future negotiations with players
- PhillySportsGuy

People said that about trading Carter and Richards, too.

I think a new GM being brought in is a justifiable reason for trading almost any player.

I see no scenario in which MacDonald would be fine with a trade to the Oilers.

Flyers would be better off not asking him at all. It looks even worse if they ask him and he says no, then, go ahead and trade him anyway. Lol.

Flyers: How would you feel about a trade to Edmonton!?

Amac: I would be highly against this.

Flyers: Oh, well, we traded you anyway.
- PhillySportsGuy

Life is tough. That's why these guys wear cups, no?

Like, what is he going to say? He doesn't have a no trade clause, correct?

His agent likely negotiated that away for more coin/term.
- johndewar

I'd have no issues if they look to trade him in the off-season along with Luke Schenn/Grossmann.

If a team is somehow willing to look past the contract, and offer a decent deal. I'd be in balls deep.

People said that about trading Carter and Richards, too.

I think a new GM being brought in is a justifiable reason for trading almost any player.
- Feanor

MacDonald is a solid all around puck moving defenseman. He makes a very good first pass, and is adept at buying himself space and time to make an outlet to alleviate pressure. He is also sound in defensive zone coverage, as well as able to chip in some points offensively. He absolutely makes the Flyers a better team.
- MJL

Did you cut and paste your Shelley snyposis here? You would only have had to move some verbiage around.

All the top contending teams in the NHL have minimum 3 if not more dmen that are far better than MacDonald.

I'd have no issues if they look to trade him in the off-season along with Luke Schenn/Grossmann.

If a team is somehow willing to look past the contract, and offer a decent deal. I'd be in balls deep.
- flyer_nutter

I can't imagine why the team wouldn't act in that fashion.

MacDonald is a solid all around puck moving defenseman. He makes a very good first pass, and is adept at buying himself space and time to make an outlet to alleviate pressure. He is also sound in defensive zone coverage, as well as able to chip in some points offensively. He absolutely makes the Flyers a better team.
- MJL

Sign Niskanen for 6mil and trade MacD for whatever he gets you and it makes us a better team.