Doesn't have to be at the same time. In fact I don't know why it would be.

I don't care if he sits guys or not, but Berube can't preach accountability without holding everyone to the same standard. That can breed all sorts of discontent from certain players. Besides, if a player doesn't realize they are accountable for his play then he is a dingus.
- NickTheKid87

Of course everyone has to be held to different standards. If Zac Rinaldo takes 2 minors and is a -1 in a game, everyone will want him to sit. If Claude Giroux takes 3 minors and is a -2, no one will be calling for him to be pulled out of the lineup. Star players will be treated differently than others because they are star players, and that's nothing new for any team in pro sports.

I want to piss on the mother of every person who does that cheer outside of an NFL-related event.
- jmatchett383

opie used it multiple times the other day and i got the douche chills
- aightwebang17

Lets get him!

Malone signs for the Rangers.

2-way deal, $700,000 NHL

Of course everyone has to be held to different standards. If Zac Rinaldo takes 2 minors and is a -1 in a game, everyone will want him to sit. If Claude Giroux takes 3 minors and is a -2, no one will be calling for him to be pulled out of the lineup. Star players will be treated differently than others because they are star players, and that's nothing new for any team in pro sports.
- jmatchett383

I know that but it wasn't like Lecavalier or Grossmann had one bad game... We're talking about stretches of poor play. Same goes for Rinaldo.

Lets get him!
- KINGKENZO

Malone signs for the Rangers.

2-way deal, $700,000 NHL
- Feanor

Nobody can say that certain hockey players don't get 2nd and 3rd chances.

I know that but it wasn't like Lecavalier or Grossmann had one bad game... We're talking about stretches of poor play. Same goes for Rinaldo.
- NickTheKid87

So again, what games are we sacrificing to make these unmakeable roster moves to teach them a lesson bu giving them a time out?

Nobody can say that certain hockey players don't get 2nd and 3rd chances.
- Tomahawk

Ain't that the truth. See: Downie, Steve January 2014 - April 2014.

Nobody can say that certain hockey players don't get 2nd and 3rd chances.
- Tomahawk

Does Penner have camp invite anywhere?

Does Penner have camp invite anywhere?
- Feanor

I'm expecting Winnipeg to give him one so that he and Buff can share information on the best donut shops in town.

So again, what games are we sacrificing to make these unmakeable roster moves to teach them a lesson bu giving them a time out?
- jmatchett383

Are you really sacrificing a game by benching a mediocre Vinny Lecavalier?

Edit: Maybe you even win a game because him or others aren't in the lineup.

From Timmy P

1. Scott Laughton
This is his third training camp where he will start with the prospects and get a shot to make the NHL roster. It’s time for the 20-year-old center to make a move. Really, it’s now or never for Laughton, especially with all the uncertainty surrounding Vinny Lecavalier’s viability at center or whether Brayden Schenn takes that job. Laughton needs to make a strong case for himself.

really? now or never for a 20 year old kid?

Does Penner have camp invite anywhere?
- Feanor

The most up-to-date list of main + rookie camp invites I've found:
http://hfboards.hockeysfu.../showthread.php?t=1721367

I know that but it wasn't like Lecavalier or Grossmann had one bad game... We're talking about stretches of poor play. Same goes for Rinaldo.
- NickTheKid87

I think Berube gave Vinny lee-way because he was being misused. That is my own personal opinion. He did put Vinny on the 4th line for a long stretch.

Grossmann is professional defenseman. Yes he has his warts but overall he was a better option than the other players below him. Gus and Gill were not NHL regulars last season. Gus had some of the skills but was not consistent. Gill is not an NHL player anymore.

So, I am not sure Berube had all that many obvious replacements. He reassigned playing time and moved players throughout the line up. I believe this year he will have some options in terms of benching players. If he decides to go that route.

Are you really sacrificing a game by benching a mediocre Vinny Lecavalier?
- NickTheKid87

If the replacement is a below-average Kris Newbury (top AL center), then yes. But the thing was, the OP wanted to bench Grossmann, Vinny, and Meszaros during the same January stretch.

as some of you may know, i design InGoal Magazine, which is distributed online only. Unfortunately, it's been awhile since we've been able to produce a full-size, regular issue, but the good news is the brand new September 2014 issue was posted this morning. Most of it will not interest any of you, as it's loaded with gear reviews and training information, but i'd love for you all take a gander when you have a moment. thanks!

http://magazine.ingoalmag.../publication/?m=18095&l=1
- hammarby31

Looks really cool! I think Boomer Gordon from Sirius XM has Kevin Woodley on his show regularly to talk about NHL goalies. I love the segment.

From Timmy P

1. Scott Laughton
This is his third training camp where he will start with the prospects and get a shot to make the NHL roster. It’s time for the 20-year-old center to make a move. Really, it’s now or never for Laughton, especially with all the uncertainty surrounding Vinny Lecavalier’s viability at center or whether Brayden Schenn takes that job. Laughton needs to make a strong case for himself.

really? now or never for a 20 year old kid?
- nastyflyergirl

He's an old 20. He might as well be 40. He was drafted in 2012. That's 3 iPhones ago. Might as well just take him out back and put him down.

If the replacement is a below-average Kris Newbury (top AL center), then yes. But the thing was, the OP wanted to bench Grossmann, Vinny, and Meszaros during the same January stretch.
- jmatchett383

I would bench them (assuming they're struggling) on different days. Benching a bunch of players at the same time is asinine.

I would bench them (assuming they're struggling) on different days. Benching a bunch of players at the same time is asinine.
- NickTheKid87

Well, that's what was proposed, that you needed to bench Vinny and Grossman for January. But really, there's no way I'd bench Vinny for Kris Newbury. Instead, I'd move him to a RW spot or drop him down in the lineup, the latter of which was done by Berube as a last resort.

Doesn't have to be at the same time. In fact I don't know why it would be.

I don't care if he sits guys or not, but Berube can't preach accountability without holding everyone to the same standard. That can breed all sorts of discontent from certain players. Besides, if a player doesn't realize they are accountable for his play then he is a dingus.
- NickTheKid87

There is a difference between benching a guy for doing stupid stuff, IE Hartnell, and saying benching a guy for having a bad stretch of games. IE Grossmann.

Accountability is a good thing, but there are different levels of accountability. A guy in a slump is a hell of a lot different than a guy with no discipline. I think Hartnell was finally held accountable by being dealt. Should he have been benched during the season, maybe, but for who? Same goes for Grossmann. At least in Grossmanns case he was trying to do the right thing on the ice. I think Hartnell thought he could do whatever he wanted because of who he was.

From Timmy P

1. Scott Laughton
This is his third training camp where he will start with the prospects and get a shot to make the NHL roster. It’s time for the 20-year-old center to make a move. Really, it’s now or never for Laughton, especially with all the uncertainty surrounding Vinny Lecavalier’s viability at center or whether Brayden Schenn takes that job. Laughton needs to make a strong case for himself.

really? now or never for a 20 year old kid?
- nastyflyergirl

It's Pannacio. Just do what I do.

Don't read it.

From Timmy P

1. Scott Laughton
This is his third training camp where he will start with the prospects and get a shot to make the NHL roster. It’s time for the 20-year-old center to make a move. Really, it’s now or never for Laughton, especially with all the uncertainty surrounding Vinny Lecavalier’s viability at center or whether Brayden Schenn takes that job. Laughton needs to make a strong case for himself.

really? now or never for a 20 year old kid?
- nastyflyergirl

I just read that. Now or never for a kid who is just now eligible to play in the AHL? He sure does have a gift for hyperbole. I notice they have no space for comments lol.

as some of you may know, i design InGoal Magazine, which is distributed online only. Unfortunately, it's been awhile since we've been able to produce a full-size, regular issue, but the good news is the brand new September 2014 issue was posted this morning. Most of it will not interest any of you, as it's loaded with gear reviews and training information, but i'd love for you all take a gander when you have a moment. thanks!

http://magazine.ingoalmag.../publication/?m=18095&l=1
- hammarby31

Really cool hammar. Are you the guy that does all the aesthetic work? Pictures and boarders and fonts and things?

There is a difference between benching a guy for doing stupid stuff, IE Hartnell, and saying benching a guy for having a bad stretch of games. IE Grossmann.

Accountability is a good thing, but there are different levels of accountability. A guy in a slump is a hell of a lot different than a guy with no discipline. I think Hartnell was finally held accountable by being dealt. Should he have been benched during the season, maybe, but for who? Same goes for Grossmann. At least in Grossmanns case he was trying to do the right thing on the ice. I think Hartnell thought he could do whatever he wanted because of who he was.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree. I think Grossmann was more a product of how he was used than his actual skill level. Hartnell should have been bench if they really were shooting for accountability. Lecavalier should have been scratched a game or two for poor play. I just don't think it sends a good message when Rinaldo screws up and is benched but not Hartnell or Grossmann doesn't even see a reduction of minutes during a cold streak.