I would trade Cout's whole line for Carter's whole line.

Wait. Why am I laughing. I'm serious.
- TheGreat28

that i can definitely see. i dont think they can keep up this pace, but those 2 wingers are sure young and talented.

would love to pry one of them out of there somehow.

would you trade Carter back for either Couturier or voracek?
- stayinthefnnet

One or the other? Probably not. I'd think very hard on it, but I think Voracek is elite in his own right, and getting better and I think the world of Couturier.

We all do
- PhillySportsGuy

true

One or the other? Probably not. I'd think very hard on it, but I think Voracek is elite in his own right, and getting better and I think the world of Couturier.
- Jsaquella

yeah. just to make it a little more thought provoking.

taken in conjunction, the answer to me is a clear no way.

when given an either or proposition, i still think couturier or voracek are both more worrisome for me as assets than you guys having carter.

One or the other? Probably not. I'd think very hard on it, but I think Voracek is elite in his own right, and getting better and I think the world of Couturier.
- Jsaquella

Carter is good enough to make you think about it, but I agree

I do think Carter's gonna age well, too, if he wants to play into his mid-30s

Holy poop. Maata

yeah. just to make it a little more thought provoking.

taken in conjunction, the answer to me is a clear no way.

when given an either or proposition, i still think couturier or voracek are both more worrisome for me as assets than you guys having carter.
- stayinthefnnet

The ages are a factor, too. Carter's not old by any stretch, but he's older than both Couturier & Voracek.

It'd just be nice to have a natural shooter like him for this team. Voracek, Schenn, Lecavalier can all shoot, but Carter has that sniper mindset. He's gonna take ever open shot he sees

Carter is good enough to make you think about it, but I agree

I do think Carter's gonna age well, too, if he wants to play into his mid-30s
- AllInForFlyers

Yeah, he's likely to be the kind of guy scoring 30-35 at age 35

The ages are a factor, too. Carter's not old by any stretch, but he's older than both Couturier & Voracek.

It'd just be nice to have a natural shooter like him for this team. Voracek, Schenn, Lecavalier can all shoot, but Carter has that sniper mindset. He's gonna take ever open shot he sees
- Jsaquella

true. but then those players are known as too selfish. its a hard line to walk.

Holy poop. Maata
- Giroux_Is_God

yep

One or the other? Probably not. I'd think very hard on it, but I think Voracek is elite in his own right, and getting better and I think the world of Couturier.
- Jsaquella

Carter is actually the kind of center I want long term for the 2nd line. Exactly. From a team perspective, it would make more sense to trade Couturier in a straight up deal rather than Jake, simply because Laughton could partially provide the same skill set. They just don't have any winger with Jake's skill set.

But at this point I wouldn't make the trade for either player. It really doesn't make sense for the club based on where they are now. If the Sanheim, Morin, Ghost and Hagg were 2 years further in their development and the forwards were all the same age as they are now....then it might be the right kind of deal to make.

true. but then those players are known as too selfish. its a hard line to walk.
- stayinthefnnet

I don't care what fans/media think. Carter has two Cup rings. His job is to be selfish.

Yeah, he's likely to be the kind of guy scoring 30-35 at age 35
- Jsaquella

Carter is Patrick Marleau but with the luxury of not having to carry every line he's ever been on.

Carter is actually the kind of center I want long term for the 2nd line. Exactly. From a team perspective, it would make more sense to trade Couturier in a straight up deal rather than Jake, simply because Laughton could partially provide the same skill set. They just don't have any winger with Jake's skill set.

But at this point I wouldn't make the trade for either player. It really doesn't make sense for the club based on where they are now. If the Sanheim, Morin, Ghost and Hagg were 2 years further in their development and the forwards were all the same age as they are now....then it might be the right kind of deal to make.
- TheGreat28

Carter as RW with Giroux, or with Voracek as his RW on a scoring line would be hard to stop. I'd still love to see Schenn centering a line with Voracek or even Vinny with Jake

Carter is Patrick Marleau but with the luxury of not having to carry every line he's ever been on.
- BINGO!

Good comparison. Marleau is vastly underrated.

I don't care what fans/media think. Carter has two Cup rings. His job is to be selfish.
- Jsaquella

The interesting thing is that if he was playing back then like he has since being united with those two kids, he probably never gets traded. Even besides the off-ice stuff...the club I think soured a little bit on his untapped potential.

And why did I think of that Pinnochio / Geico ad as soon as I said that?

Carter as RW with Giroux, or with Voracek as his RW on a scoring line would be hard to stop. I'd still love to see Schenn centering a line with Voracek or even Vinny with Jake
- Jsaquella

I just don't think Carter wanted to play wing, or even embraced it enough. WE all thought he had the perfect tools to play the position...but he never wanted to.

He was decent on LA at wing, but really took off when they moved him to center and put him with Pearson and Toffoli.

Carter as RW with Giroux, or with Voracek as his RW on a scoring line would be hard to stop. I'd still love to see Schenn centering a line with Voracek or even Vinny with Jake
- Jsaquella

Misread a little bit...he'd be awesome with Jake as his RW for sure.

And I am completely with you on moving Jake to 2nd line with either Schenn or Vinnie. But honestly they are not having trouble scoring goals right now, so maybe not as much pressure to make that move yet.

The interesting thing is that if he was playing back then like he has since being united with those two kids, he probably never gets traded. Even besides the off-ice stuff...the club I think soured a little bit on his untapped potential.

And why did I think of that Pinnochio / Geico ad as soon as I said that?
- TheGreat28

They tried him at RW here, and he always seemed to struggle. The off ice stuff, they let the inmates run the asylum and then were shocked when it went sour

if you could undue either of those two trades, would you?
- stayinthefnnet

If Homer had the patience, and a little more management prowess, I firmly believe that this team would be smack dab in the middle of a solid 4-5 window to contend right now, with G, Richie, Carts, Coburn, Bob and JvR leading the way. Probably would be in the same league as BOS/CHI/LA, and maybe even have a Cup already.

But given the situation that they were in -- committing the Bryzaster, with all the eggs in the Pronger basket, and no freakin' cap space -- that reset button had to be pushed.

So yeah... the trades themselves were good, but the situation that forced them... I wouldn't do that part again.

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- hammarby31

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Good comparison. Marleau is vastly underrated.
- Jsaquella

He had to transition his game from being a top line, two-way center relied upon in all situations (Started his career like a Bergeron) to the fast scoring winger he is today.

He's worn the C, had the C taken away, moved lines, positions, been dragged through the mud by his GM, the national media, fans, former teammates, and still he soldiers on and is on pace to have one of the longest careers in the history of the NHL.

He never complains. He doesn't whine to the ref. He'll fight if the team needs someone to fight. He'll kill penalties. He'll score goals (Yes, in the playoffs too.) Jumbo Joe has been there for a long time now and he may not have the C anymore but Patrick Marleau has been dragging that team around for his entire career.

Oh, and if he plays until he's 41-42, he's on pace to break Gordie Howe's all-time games played record. So there's that.

If Homer had the patience, and a little more management prowess, I firmly believe that this team would be smack dab in the middle of a solid 4-5 window to contend right now, with G, Richie, Carts, Coburn, Bob and JvR leading the way. Probably would be in the same league as BOS/CHI/LA, and maybe even have a Cup already.

But given the situation that they were in -- committing the Bryzaster, with all the eggs in the Pronger basket, and no freakin' cap space -- that reset button had to be pushed.

So yeah... the trades themselves were good, but the situation that forced them... I wouldn't do that part again.
- Tomahawk

Beautiful line up with the forwards but in a cap world not sure it would have been possible. Especially if Bobrovsky would have wanted big money.

The defense was ignored for far too long when everyone knew Pronger and Timonen wouldn't be able to hold up for forever. It bit them in the ass.

The biggest issue imo during that whole "core transition phase" was the best d-man the team really brought back in any deal was Luke Schenn.

He had to transition his game from being a top line, two-way center relied upon in all situations (Started his career like a Bergeron) to the fast scoring winger he is today.

He's worn the C, had the C taken away, moved lines, positions, been dragged through the mud by his GM, the national media, fans, former teammates, and still he soldiers on and is on pace to have one of the longest careers in the history of the NHL.

He never complains. He doesn't whine to the ref. He'll fight if the team needs someone to fight. He'll kill penalties. He'll score goals (Yes, in the playoffs too.) Jumbo Joe has been there for a long time now and he may not have the C anymore but Patrick Marleau has been dragging that team around for his entire career.

Oh, and if he plays until he's 41-42, he's on pace to break Gordie Howe's all-time games played record. So there's that.
- BINGO!

I've always liked watching him. Just a very good player, you plug in, he does his job, and generally helps a team succeed. Gets unfairly blamed when things go south.

If Homer had the patience, and a little more management prowess, I firmly believe that this team would be smack dab in the middle of a solid 4-5 window to contend right now, with G, Richie, Carts, Coburn, Bob and JvR leading the way. Probably would be in the same league as BOS/CHI/LA, and maybe even have a Cup already.

But given the situation that they were in -- committing the Bryzaster, with all the eggs in the Pronger basket, and no freakin' cap space -- that reset button had to be pushed.

So yeah... the trades themselves were good, but the situation that forced them... I wouldn't do that part again.
- Tomahawk

I don't know. Doughty makes that entire thing go, or Chara, or Keith...they still wouldn't have that, or might not have.

Hell, I think they could fake it right now, right this second, if they had a defenseman like that to go with Coburn.