IMO, duration of his cap-hit on the books is more of a nuisance than the actual cap-hit itself. Even if you just buy out the last year of his deal, you'd have to live with an additional year of him being on the books. I'd prefer to completely wash my hands of his and VL's contracts, ASAP.
- Tomahawk

I would still give Vinny a shot. At least he has shown he can put up some offensive numbers. At least he can shoot the puck!
With RJ they should wash their hands immediately with ammonia!

Woah. Jason Heyward got traded to the Cards for Shelby Miller.

What is "Things I never thought I'd read"?
- Giroux_Is_God

I hope he becomes an all star

that's what i expected. i have egg and tap shoe prints all over my face. i need a shower.
- hammarby31

there is no doubt Umberger 's contract is awful and the trade is awful but I can't help but think we would have been doing the same complaining in 3 yrs about Hartnell's deal and having to deal with it then with the raises other guys are getting may actually be worse.

Apparently the entire Legion of Doom will be on hand
- Jsaquella

good. then they show all the domination on the big board, and maybe this sack of crap can get inspired.

You absolutely can blame him, to some extent. He's been dealt a poor hand, but he's not playing it especially well.

He has juggled lines, but he's refused to split his pairs up. Giroux has steadfastly remained with Voracek, Couturier with Read and Umberger with Lecavalier, when the latter has played.

He's got a poorly performing playmaker type on a 4th line with an energy player and a grinder. He's got two under performing veterans dragging down just about everyone who joins them. He should look at making real changes, not shuffling Schenn & Simmonds in the top 6 and Akeson and VandeVelde in the bottom 6.
- Jsaquella

Yes but under no circumstances should Voracek and G be split up. It is the one thing that is going for us, no need to mess with it. Flyers need to get Vinny going again, he got off to a good start before the injury but like last season after he returned from injury he struggled. Umberger at this point may have to be a 4.6 mill 4th line player when Raffl Returns.

Schenn-G-Voracek
Read-Coots-Simmonds
Akeson-VL-Umberger
Rinaldo-Belmare-Vandvelde

Could probably still suit up and give us a better 2nd line.
- ob18

could? there's no question.

I agree. I think Clarke was the best player this organization has ever had in the non goalie category overall but there is no question Lindros was the most talented in my opinion. He had a mix of skill and size. He could go through you or around you. I will never forget the first game I saw live (I split season tickets back then) and just was blown away
- nastyflyergirl

where did you land?

IMO, duration of his cap-hit on the books is more of a nuisance than the actual cap-hit itself. Even if you just buy out the last year of his deal, you'd have to live with an additional year of him being on the books. I'd prefer to completely wash my hands of his and VL's contracts, ASAP.
- Tomahawk

Do you think a team would take Umberger at $2.3m over 2 years

there is no doubt Umberger 's contract is awful and the trade is awful but I can't help but think we would have been doing the same complaining in 3 yrs about Hartnell's deal and having to deal with it then with the raises other guys are getting may actually be worse.
- nastyflyergirl

That's where I am... don't particularly care for Umberger, but still like the trade from a long-range cap perspective.

that's what i expected. i have egg and tap shoe prints all over my face. i need a shower.
- hammarby31

16 games is a small sample size, Umberger absolutely will bounce back to form. He's a proven veteran. Zero chance he's cooked.

Do you think a team would take Umberger at $2.3m over 2 years
- PhillySportsGuy

Maybe... out of all the likely outcomes, that is the one that probably hurts the least all around.

there is no doubt Umberger 's contract is awful and the trade is awful but I can't help but think we would have been doing the same complaining in 3 yrs about Hartnell's deal and having to deal with it then with the raises other guys are getting may actually be worse.
- nastyflyergirl

from a cap perspective, i'm good with this. hartnell's gone. i don't care what he's doing in columbus. and all of his scoring isn't helping them win anyway. hartnell here does not make the flyers a contender. it just gives them some additional scoring. he's streaky, just like many others, and he'll go cold at some point this year. and still take penalties and fall down all the time etc.

my concern is with umberger. he's gotten off to a terrible start. i don't have a ton of faith he'll snap out of it, given his poor season last year, but it's not impossible. it's just painful to watch him. i'd put him on the 4th line and move up PEB. get him away from vinny, and limit his ES minutes.

Baseball Buzz is the next website over
- ob18

Off topic shmoff topic

Anhhings better than arguing back and forth, dontchyano

there is no doubt Umberger 's contract is awful and the trade is awful but I can't help but think we would have been doing the same complaining in 3 yrs about Hartnell's deal and having to deal with it then with the raises other guys are getting may actually be worse.
- nastyflyergirl

Just feel we could have got more for Hartnell, maybe even as a part of a package deal

Anyone know where Matt Read is?

I hope he becomes an all star
- PhillySportsGuy

I think it's a pretty even trade. Shelby Miller is no future scrub, that's for sure.

Their pitching is gonna be nasty for a long time now between Teheran, Miller, and Kimbrel on the back end. Yowza.

Just feel we could have got more for Hartnell, maybe even as a part of a package deal
- 3flyerkids

EDIT: I said it then and I say it now.. If we were moving him (Hartnell) I wanted a pick ONLY.

Then with the cap space you got from him, sign a guy like Mason Raymond

there is no doubt Umberger 's contract is awful and the trade is awful but I can't help but think we would have been doing the same complaining in 3 yrs about Hartnell's deal and having to deal with it then with the raises other guys are getting may actually be worse.
- nastyflyergirl

GiG fully endorses this post

Just feel we could have got more for Hartnell, maybe even as a part of a package deal
- 3flyerkids

well my complaint is I feel as tho they should have gotten a better draft pick in return

Anyone know where Matt Read is?
- jak521

Frolicking through a pumpkin patch trying to locate himself.

Anyone know where Matt Read is?
- jak521

I thought he was traded in the off season

GiG fully endorses this post
- Giroux_Is_God

That is always the argument.. I think the point was that we could have traded him for someone other than Umberger.

Just feel we could have got more for Hartnell, maybe even as a part of a package deal
- 3flyerkids

Hartnell's contract wasn't very friendly in terms of length. In order of the Flyers to rid themselves of it they had to give up production now, for a cooked player with a slightly worse contract albeit shorter in term. The Flyers will eat poop until Umberger's contract is up. No way around it.

EDIT: I said it then and I say it now.. If we were moving him (Hartnell) I wanted a pick ONLY.

Then with the cap space you got from him, sign a guy like Mason Raymond
- jak521

I could have lived with that, but I just think there had to be more to gain than Zombie

That is always the argument.. I think the point was that we could have traded him for someone other than Umberger.
- jak521

Also true.

I think it's safe to assume the Flyers explored all options though. Kicked the tires with other teams and looked for "better" deals.

I do think, simply on an on paper basis, Hartnell could have reeled in a pick at least along with an umberger caliber player. [Edit: but again, maybe the flyers thought that too, but unfortunately this was the best deal on the table] It sucks, but that's the way it went down. female doging will change nothing, whether you're "defending" it or not.