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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 5:40 PM ET
The only way I'd willingly trade a pick would be if it's for a guy who is a long term solution.

Right now, despite Read asking to play RW, which occurred about a month ago, he's playing LW with Couturier and Simmonds. Schenn is playing with Giroux & Voracek. Bellemare can play all three forward spots, like Raffl & Read, so it's not as if there's no other options.

That said, I'd be all for moving for a good young winger who can carry the puck and make plays

- Jsaquella


Bellemare to my knowledge has never played the left side for the Flyers. He's either played center or right wing. Of course there are options. Just look at how many line combinations Berube has tried that haven't worked. And when he was trying those options previously, he was criticized for it. Now he's being criticized for not trying those same options again? Makes a lot of sense

Bottom line is right now, with Raffl hurt, Berube has 3 LW's to use. Rinaldo, Umberger, and Schenn. And with the way that Umberger is playing. Two of those LW's are 4th line players.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 17 @ 5:41 PM ET
I'm definitely jealous of Buffalo's 5 picks in the first two rounds. If they are smart, they could turn that franchise around in a single draft.
- Roytastic


That franchise is on the right path. Wow what a draft for buffalo fans coming up.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Nov 17 @ 5:44 PM ET
That franchise is on the right path. Wow what a draft for buffalo fans coming up.
- Just5


and they already have some decent young pieces.
girgensons
grigorenko
their young defensemen in zadorov and ristolenan
whatever becomes of myers

yes the spelling on most of those was awful, but oh well.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 5:46 PM ET
I think the biggest example of that in the modern era is Edmonton. Yes, it is entirely possible those players you drafted highly mature and evolve into a winner. It can certainly be argued that the highest of those picks aren't necessarily the problem.

And yet, you haven't made the playoffs since 2006. You are 14th in the conference again this year. And while some of your underlying metrics are improving, you still have glaring roster needs.

Is keeping all of those picks really helping you? Are you truly worse off if you move Nail Yakupov in a hockey trade, if you address another area of need?

I'd argue that patience for the sake of patience is just as detrimental as pulling the trigger too soon. At some point, though, you need to pull the trigger when you do have an area of need, and be done with it, and not be prone to crying about it if it doesn't work perfectly.

Because the odds are you're going to get fired anyway. Ken Hitchcock's been given the gate twice. Brian Burke's been drop-kicked. Ray Shero got curb-stomped.

You're gonna get gassed. Might as well make a move when you know you need to

- AllInForFlyers


The problem with trying to trade a player like Yakupov, is that you're not going to get the return you need to trade a 21 year old player who was the 1st overall pick in the draft, with the way he is playing right now. And the payoff for that pick, if there is one, is down the line.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 17 @ 5:47 PM ET
yeah. everyone operates under a paralysis of analysis that theyre going to get burned and lose a deal.
- stayinthefnnet


It's the 24/7 media cycle, with everyone able to comment on everything teams do

I have said this before, but I totally remember back when the NHL draft was conducted and you had to go through hell and back just to find out who was drafted after the first round. I remember when the trade deadline was sent over under "Transactions" and there wasn't a story or media coverage to be found outside of team markets until The Hockey News got to it

It's not like that now, and I do think it's changed how that league operates -- Google "Draft, Schmaft" sometime to see how the old-schoolers once viewed all this stuff
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 17 @ 5:53 PM ET
Not quite sure what Jake Voracek has to do to be a star of the week in the NHL
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 17 @ 5:53 PM ET
Not quite sure what Jake Voracek has to do to be a star of the week in the NHL
- AllInForFlyers

Well, not being on the Flyers would help, for starters...
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 17 @ 5:56 PM ET
Put up Christmas lights for my 1st ever new place.

Suck it (frank)ers.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 17 @ 5:57 PM ET
Put up Christmas lights for my 1st ever new place.

Suck it (frank)ers.

- flyer_nutter

why so late?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 17 @ 5:58 PM ET
yeah. ive heard the name, but im not quite sure just how good zucker actually is so this is hard for me to evaluate the prospective value.
- stayinthefnnet


I like Zucker . He's got good speed, has shown decent hands and seems to be a smart player. I don't watch a ton of Wild games, but he's looked good in the ones I've seen.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 17 @ 5:58 PM ET
Both Vinny and Simmonds were most productive this season while playing together. Reunite them.
- GOA88


Eww.

Berube is not the second coming Scotty Bowman, but let's be honest.....this roster is a miscast group. If he gets these guys to the playoffs, as currently constituted, I'll bet that Chief gets an extension.
- johndewar


Double eww.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 5:58 PM ET
Not quite sure what Jake Voracek has to do to be a star of the week in the NHL
- AllInForFlyers


Stop out scoring Crosby?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 17 @ 6:00 PM ET
why so late?
- BulliesPhan87


Too much time with you fools.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 17 @ 6:01 PM ET
Too much time with you fools.
- flyer_nutter

I mean, I've put things off for a good hockeybuzz battle from time to time, but we're three months into christmas season already
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 17 @ 6:05 PM ET
Stop out scoring Crosby?
- MJL


Ha! Yeah -- apparently, that isn't quite what the NHL is looking for
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 6:05 PM ET
I mean, I've put things off for a good hockeybuzz battle from time to time, but we're three months into christmas season already
- BulliesPhan87


We are?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 17 @ 6:06 PM ET
We are?

- MJL

sorry, four months
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 6:07 PM ET
Not quite sure what Jake Voracek has to do to be a star of the week in the NHL
- AllInForFlyers


Literally appear out of thin air and score in a game for another team when the Flyers have the night off
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 6:08 PM ET
sorry, four months
- BulliesPhan87


The season started in October
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 17 @ 6:09 PM ET
Literally appear out of thin air and score in a game for another team when the Flyers have the night off
- ob18


stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Nov 17 @ 6:09 PM ET
Stop out scoring Crosby?
- MJL


shall we make a friendly wager on who will finish higher in the art ross standings?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 6:11 PM ET

- AllInForFlyers


But that's just off the top of my head
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 17 @ 6:11 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 20s20 seconds ago

Claude Giroux is unable to attend tonight's Season Ticket Holder event. He is being evaluated by team doctors.

Great. Ebola
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 6:11 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 20s20 seconds ago

Claude Giroux is unable to attend tonight's Season Ticket Holder event. He is being evaluated by team doctors.

Great. Ebola

- Jsaquella


The mumps sir.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 17 @ 6:13 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 20s20 seconds ago

Claude Giroux is unable to attend tonight's Season Ticket Holder event. He is being evaluated by team doctors.

Great. Ebola

- Jsaquella


Ah, yes -- the old "Amazing Flyers Injury News From Out of Nowhere When They Haven't Played in 24 Hours" trick
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