I think they are two different players who are both playing at a high level.

Jake is more dynamic in his skating but Giroux is a better stickhandler, passer and is doing great with faceoffs.

Currently Giroux is tied for 5th overall in scoring which is pretty great and if not for Voracek and his insane start people would be saying Giroux is doing what he does.

I personally don't see anything predictable about Giroux, he is performing right where he always has over the past 5 seasons which is as one of the top point producers in the league.

That being said, it's awesome watching Jake fly up the ice right now..Reminds me of a Lindros or Forsberg rush...
- opeth_pa

As far as Giroux being predictable, he's second in the league to only Ovechkin in shots on net. That's not predictable at all.

Giroux is on pace for 25 goals and 82 assists, for 107 points

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- ob18

Tanguay has been up and down his entire career.
- MJL

Not really. He had been one of the league's steadier point producers up to that point, finding success with a variety of teams and linemates, and doing most of his damage at ES.

Tanguay P/G in the seasons surrounding his time w/ Vinny:

07-08: 0.74
08-09: 0.82
09-10: 0.46
10-11: 0.87
11-12: 0.76

One is not like the others.

I think they are two different players who are both playing at a high level.

Jake is more dynamic in his skating but Giroux is a better stickhandler, passer and is doing great with faceoffs.

Currently Giroux is tied for 5th overall in scoring which is pretty great and if not for Voracek and his insane start people would be saying Giroux is doing what he does.

I personally don't see anything predictable about Giroux, he is performing right where he always has over the past 5 seasons which is as one of the top point producers in the league.

That being said, it's awesome watching Jake fly up the ice right now..Reminds me of a Lindros or Forsberg rush...
- opeth_pa

It's just a little different watching someone other than Giroux carrying the play. Maybe a better word is refreshing. It's like a moment we've all been waiting for.

Not really. He had been one of the league's steadier point producers up to that point, finding success with a variety of teams and linemates and doing most of his damage at ES.

Tanguay P/G in the seasons surrounding his time w/ Vinny:

07-08: 0.74
08-09: 0.82
09-10: 0.46
10-11: 0.87
11-12: 0.76

One is not like the others.
- Tomahawk

Yes really he has. Simply look at his point totals throughout his career. There is ups and downs. You're just arbitrarily assuming that it was a chemistry issue due to a bias against Lecavalier. There could've been an whole host of factors that led to his lower production that year. One being PP time, which I already documented.

As far as Giroux being predictable, he's second in the league to only Ovechkin in shots on net. That's not predictable at all.

Giroux is on pace for 25 goals and 82 assists, for 107 points
- MJL

which is an absolute HELL of a year.

which is an absolute HELL of a year.
- stayinthefnnet

Yea, it would be. I don't expect Voracek to continue at this pace all season, so obviously Giroux's pace is going to quiet somewhat also. I think both will wind up in the 80's in points, maybe low 90's.

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Yea, it would be. I don't expect Voracek to continue at this pace all season, so obviously Giroux's pace is going to quiet somewhat also. I think both will wind up in the 80's in points, maybe low 90's.
- MJL

yeah.

i think giroux finishes with more. and will be pushing mid to high 90s.

Giroux sort of lacks that flair with the puck from his first two years. He was deking guys out of their skates left and right. But he's hardly predictable. Is the PP set up predictable? Definitely. But if it aint broke....

Agreed..15 games in and they are a 500 team, clearly tanking should be the plan.
- opeth_pa

i didn't say they wouldn't make it. i'm saying if they end up missing, i'd like them to really miss.

Yes really he has. Simply look at his point totals throughout his career. There is ups and downs.
- MJL

06-07: 1.00
05-06: 1.09
03-04: 1.14
02-03: 0.82
01-02: 0.69
00-01: 0.94
99-00: 0.67

This does not look like a guy who had any trouble scoring between his rookie year and '11-12... except for one year in TB. And like I said, he's done ~75% of his damage at ES, historically. Vinny, for example, is in the mid 60%'s in that regard.

Giroux sort of lacks that flair with the puck from his first two years. He was deking guys out of their skates left and right. But he's hardly predictable. Is the PP set up predictable? Definitely. But if it aint broke....
- hereticpride

I don't know about that. I've always seen Giroux as a flashy player to a degree. I just think he has more confidence in his puck handling skills now, then he did before--which means he knows what he can get away with.

He's got great vision, you can't teach that. I still remember the Shorthanded goal in '09 against the Pens when he set up Gagne. Oh my god.

Giroux sort of lacks that flair with the puck from his first two years. He was deking guys out of their skates left and right. But he's hardly predictable. Is the PP set up predictable? Definitely. But if it aint broke....
- hereticpride

Sure. Another example I suppose I could give is the shot Giroux has been taking lately that set the table for the second Brayden Schenn goal against Montreal. I believe he hit the post with the same attempt against Columbus. At even strength he's been looking for the same area to shoot in most games.

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06-07: 1.00
05-06: 1.09
03-04: 1.14
02-03: 0.82
01-02: 0.69
00-01: 0.94
99-00: 0.67

This does not look like a guy who had any trouble scoring between his rookie year and '11-12... except for one year in TB. And like I said, he's done ~75% of his damage at ES, historically. Vinny, for example, is in the mid 60%'s in that regard.
- Tomahawk

I did not state that he's had trouble scoring. Only that there have been ups and downs in his career. Nor was I at any time comparing Lecavalier and Tanguay as players. Most players score more points at ES then on the PP.

I simply mentioned Tanguay when it was suggested that the Aves needed defenseman, because of two reasons. One, he plays LW, and two, he is a playmaker. You claimed, and have not supported, that it would be a bad move to play him with Lecavalier, because they had poor chemistry.

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FYI: The Lightning were playing the Star Wars cantina band song in the locker room after their win. NHL's best victory song? It must be.

Dave Lozo ‏@DaveLozo 15m15 minutes ago

FYI: The Lightning were playing the Star Wars cantina band song in the locker room after their win. NHL's best victory song? It must be.
- hammarby31

God damn it, that team is awesome.. At least I can take solace in knowing their jersey's are as disgusting as Grandpa's used depends.

Dave Lozo ‏@DaveLozo 15m15 minutes ago

FYI: The Lightning were playing the Star Wars cantina band song in the locker room after their win. NHL's best victory song? It must be.
- hammarby31

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God damn it, that team is awesome.. At least I can take solace in knowing their jersey's are as disgusting as Grandpa's used depends.
- Roytastic

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You claimed, and have not supported, that it would be a bad move to play him with Lecavalier, because they had poor chemistry.
- MJL

I feel like it's a perfectly reasonable assumption, that if a guy's P/60 drops an entire point off his career average, you look first to who he spent the majority of his icetime with -- since his ES usage hadn't changed dramatically.

I wouldn't mind trading for him... just buyer beware if it's with the intention of putting him on a line with #40.

I feel like it's a perfectly reasonable assumption, that if a guy's P/60 drops an entire point off his career average, you look first to who he spent the majority of his icetime with -- since his ES usage hadn't changed dramatically.

I wouldn't mind trading for him... just buyer beware if it's with the intention of putting him on a line with #40.
- Tomahawk

It's all speculation. There could be any number of reasons for his down season, including health issues.