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Charliebox
Joined: 09.08.2008

Jan 13 @ 11:14 AM ET
I am sure Jared is going to write another blog as soon as I post this....

I have said it before and I will say it again:

When is the last time, other than the reactionary Bobby Ryan trade, that the Sens actually took on money through trade?

Before you judge BM on his trades, think about that fact.

It's hard to 'win' trades when you aren't allowed to take on money.
tuna99
Joined: 05.25.2009

Jan 13 @ 11:26 AM ET
this entire post is ridiculous.

would you trade lehner straight up for vermette right now? not a chance in hell.

the trade wasn't rundblad for tarasenko....it was rundblad for a pick. what if the blues had selected Joey Hishon, Austin Watson, derek forbort.......we all know that murray wouldn't have taken the russian.

the fisher trade.....sens used the player they took with that pick to get ryan.

if you think chris kelly for shane prince is a loss, then i question your hockey intelligence. kelly is an average 4th liner, at the time he was an average 3rd liner, and murray got a 2nd for him. that's a great return.

you're actually using rundblad's +/- to justify that maybe that trade wasn't as good as it seemed

methot has been hurt, and foligno is having one great year (aided because injuries have him playing a role he wouldn't otherwise be playing). where do you think foligno would be on this current team...........he wouldn't be ahead of turris, he likely wouldn't be ahead of zibby, he'd be 3rd line at best. methot is EASILY the 2nd best d-man on this team. injuries happen, but it has nothing to do with the trade. ask cbj in 2-3 years, when they're paying their avg 3rd line center, how they feel about that trade.

the bishop trade is what it is. trading goalies is always a crap shoot. at the time, bishop was the 3rd best goalie in our system.

you seriously need to reevaluate how you evaluate trades. it's kind of ridiculous.

- sensarmy_11


FYI Foligno is LW not a C . And Kelly wore an A on a Championship team so to say that a Cup win and a Finals appearance and a 39 point season and a Cup wun where he got 13 points in 25 games isn't a complete steal for a player who has never even had a sniff at the NHL is totally stupid. Don't question that this trade was a lose, Kelly is one of the best 3rd line players in the NHL.
SensnRBs
Ottawa Senators
Location: it ain't cheatin' if ur wife is watching, ON
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 13 @ 11:32 AM ET
I am sure Jared is going to write another blog as soon as I post this....

I have said it before and I will say it again:

When is the last time, other than the reactionary Bobby Ryan trade, that the Sens actually took on money through trade?

Before you judge BM on his trades, think about that fact.

It's hard to 'win' trades when you aren't allowed to take on money.

- Charliebox


Most likley back before they made their cup run. Again, at this point in the contend/rebuild cycle of this team, one would not expect them to take on salary, as they are trading older players for younger players.

They are starting to spend money now that these players are into their next contract. Take a look forward on the salary structure - they'll be nearer a cap team in the coming years. For example, next years' cap hit is just $3M below this years', yet they will still have to resign ZBad, Chiasson, Hoffman, JGP, Stone as well as Methot (or a replacement). That'll be $12M-$15M for those players, which will bring the cap to about $65M.

Once this team contends, the GM of the day will be spending money on players, but it only makes sense to do so when you are a contender.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 13 @ 11:43 AM ET
FYI Foligno is LW not a C . And Kelly wore an A on a Championship team so to say that a Cup win and a Finals appearance and a 39 point season and a Cup wun where he got 13 points in 25 games isn't a complete steal for a player who has never even had a sniff at the NHL is totally stupid. Don't question that this trade was a lose, Kelly is one of the best 3rd line players in the NHL.
- tuna99


LW or C....my point stands. foligno is a 30-35pt player who's having a career year largely due to playing higher in the lineup than he should due to injuries.......cough cough, colin greening, cough cough.

as for kelly......first of all, they won the cup the year he was traded to boston, so he certainly wasn't wearing the A. right now, he's listed as the alt capt for away games only. as for him being one of the best 3rd liners in the NHL......give me a break. ask bruins fans how many of them would LOVE to dump that contract.
Mr_Clean
Location: PLAYOFFS?, MB
Joined: 08.09.2010

Jan 13 @ 12:00 PM ET
LW or C....my point stands. foligno is a 30-35pt player who's having a career year largely due to playing higher in the lineup than he should due to injuries.......cough cough, colin greening, cough cough.

as for kelly......first of all, they won the cup the year he was traded to boston, so he certainly wasn't wearing the A. right now, he's listed as the alt capt for away games only. as for him being one of the best 3rd liners in the NHL......give me a break. ask bruins fans how many of them would LOVE to dump that contract.

- sensarmy_11


Well, the Greening comparison is a bit cruel, but otherwise this post is spot-on IMO.

There are some seriously crazy narratives being floated today... Almost makes me miss the "we are only bad because Spezza is a bad captain" days
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jan 13 @ 12:06 PM ET
Well, the Greening comparison is a bit cruel, but otherwise this post is spot-on IMO.

There are some seriously crazy narratives being floated today... Almost makes me miss the "we are only bad because Spezza is a bad captain" days

- Mr_Clean


maybe a little cruel, but it shows that an average to below average player, who's playing higher in the lineup than he should, can have increased performance........especially in a contract year.

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