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KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:17 AM ET
I keep reading/hearing that LA wants another defenseman. Do you think you could do something like Coburn and Read for say a 2nd and Tofolli
- J35Bacher

id still want their #1
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:17 AM ET
This was touched on in yesterdays thread but here is some good info from Serevallis article today r
Schenn, 23, is now tied with Wayne Simmons in points this season with 31. He is on pace for a career-high 51 points.

Last season, there were 79 players in the NHL to net more than 51 points. Only 17 of them were 23 or younger. As sore a subject as he may be, supposed superstar-in-waiting James van Riemsdyk has only once ever broken 51 points (last year). He wasn't one of those players in that 23-and-under category; he was already 24.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/phi...HvsjVr5gqr5ytG.99egarding B Schenn

- KINGKENZO


Not trying to crush Schenn because I do like him, but how many of those players gets to play with Jake and G on the top line and the top PP? I still think he'd be a better RW or C.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:17 AM ET
This was touched on in yesterdays thread but here is some good info from Serevallis article today r
Schenn, 23, is now tied with Wayne Simmons in points this season with 31. He is on pace for a career-high 51 points.

Last season, there were 79 players in the NHL to net more than 51 points. Only 17 of them were 23 or younger. As sore a subject as he may be, supposed superstar-in-waiting James van Riemsdyk has only once ever broken 51 points (last year). He wasn't one of those players in that 23-and-under category; he was already 24.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/phi...HvsjVr5gqr5ytG.99egarding B Schenn

- KINGKENZO

Question for you real quick..

If i told you that I had a winger that would score 71 points this season, and I wanted to give him to your team, would you take him?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:17 AM ET
I keep reading/hearing that LA wants another defenseman. Do you think you could do something like Coburn and Read for say a 2nd and Tofolli
- J35Bacher


I don't think they're looking to move any roster players with Pearson out (unless he's back now). If anything, they're probably looking to beef up their depth. Coburn could probably get you a 2nd and McKeown.

That said, they have cap constraints right now, and adding players who make over $3M per year for multiple years is probably not realistic for them.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:18 AM ET
I think the problem with Macdonald is if he was only making say 3mil your ok with him. But since he is in the 5mil you expect more. I think he is an ok defender I just think for what he brings you can find at a cheaper price.
- J35Bacher

Yep, he's a 3rd pair guy. Thats it.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:18 AM ET
Too much $$ for them
- Just5



If they moved Richards they could open up some money. There are ways to make it work.
MatveiDmitrii
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 01.16.2015

Jan 30 @ 9:18 AM ET
Was nice to see Brayden Schenn play one of his "looks like we don't have to trade him" games.

I hear you guys on the defense. Good points have been made. However I really would look at any of our defensemen to see what you could get and make the best moves possible
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:18 AM ET
Coliacovo has been the worst-looking defenseman this season, which is more or less expected. The team is having success, but I believe that's despite him as opposed to because of him.
- jmatchett383


Either him or coburn have been the worst.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:18 AM ET
At this point, the team might as well ride it out with Brayden Schenn. What do they have to lose?
- johndewar


I'd only move Schenn only if it brought a true top pairing defensemen back. Obviously wouldn't be a 1 for 1 trade tho.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:19 AM ET
Question for you real quick..

If i told you that I had a winger that would score 71 points this season, and I wanted to give him to your team, would you take him?

- jak521


Is it Nik Zherdev?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:19 AM ET
Was nice to see Brayden Schenn play one of his "looks like we don't have to trade him" games.

I hear you guys on the defense. Good points have been made. However I really would look at any of our defensemen to see what you could get and make the best moves possible

- MatveiDmitrii


I would put MDZ on the block also. Everyone is for sale
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:20 AM ET
I would put MDZ on the block also. Everyone is for sale
- Just5


We shouldn't trade MDZ. He wants to come back, he's young, and we can sign him for an affordable deal as well most likely. I think he could be a very consistent guy for us in future.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:21 AM ET
At this point, the team might as well ride it out with Brayden Schenn. What do they have to lose?
- johndewar

He has accrued those #s despite the fact that he only has 2 goals in the last 21 games. When/if he finds consistency, hell be a monster.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 30 @ 9:22 AM ET
We shouldn't trade MDZ. He wants to come back, he's young, and we can sign him for an affordable deal as well most likely. I think he could be a very consistent guy for us in future.
- arichardson22


I think everyone should be available, but only for a good return. If MDZ can bring you a good pick and/or prospect (high 2nd rounder or B+/A- prospect), you have to consider it.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 30 @ 9:23 AM ET
I don't think they're looking to move any roster players with Pearson out (unless he's back now). If anything, they're probably looking to beef up their depth. Coburn could probably get you a 2nd and McKeown.

That said, they have cap constraints right now, and adding players who make over $3M per year for multiple years is probably not realistic for them.

- jmatchett383



Your probably right.

I was looking at teams where they might need a top 4 dman for the playoffs and depth forward. You might be able to extract more inregards to higher pick and prospect. Coburn on a team like LA would fit well. he doesn't have to be the man.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:23 AM ET
Question for you real quick..

If i told you that I had a winger that would score 71 points this season, and I wanted to give him to your team, would you take him?

- jak521

is he -16 with a large mole on his face?
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:23 AM ET
Question for you real quick..

If i told you that I had a winger that would score 71 points this season, and I wanted to give him to your team, would you take him?

- jak521


At what cost?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:23 AM ET
I keep reading/hearing that LA wants another defenseman. Do you think you could do something like Coburn and Read for say a 2nd and Tofolli
- J35Bacher


I don't think they have the cap space for Coburn and Read.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:23 AM ET
is he -16 with a large mole on his face?
- aightwebang17

He is.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:24 AM ET
I think everyone should be available, but only for a good return. If MDZ can bring you a good pick and/or prospect (high 2nd rounder or B+/A- prospect), you have to consider it.
- jmatchett383


i agree on getting a return, but this may be a chance to sign a good quality consistent young defensemen for a favorable contract. And when you look at our d corps i think thats rare. His confident play really helps create chances and opens up the ice for the forwards more
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 30 @ 9:25 AM ET
Hello, Carlo.
- johndewar



BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:25 AM ET
I think the problem with Macdonald is if he was only making say 3mil your ok with him. But since he is in the 5mil you expect more. I think he is an ok defender I just think for what he brings you can find at a cheaper price.
- J35Bacher


Exactly. He is overpaid for a generic 2nd pair dman, and honestly, on a top contender, he's really a 3rd pair guy.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jan 30 @ 9:25 AM ET
Your probably right.

I was looking at teams where they might need a top 4 dman for the playoffs and depth forward. You might be able to extract more inregards to higher pick and prospect. Coburn on a team like LA would fit well. he doesn't have to be the man.

- J35Bacher


and with our luck we'd see Coburn holstering the Cup with his giant beaker of a nose
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 30 @ 9:26 AM ET
Thats the only way we are getting out from under the contracts of Umberger, Vinny and MacDonald.
- GOA88


Where's Dexter when you really need him??
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 30 @ 9:27 AM ET
At what cost?
- KINGKENZO

No cost. None.

Here's the funny thing about JvR. He was picked #2 overall, and because of that he was labeled as a future "superstar".

People were pissed that he wanted to stay in college.

People were pissed that he wasnt a point per game player over his Flyers career.

People were pissed that he couldnt be consistent as a young player.


Typical Philly.. At 25, JvR is in the midst of a very good offensive season.. Hell, likely to be in the top 25 in points this season. He may not be a "superstar" but he is a legitimate top line winger.
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