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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 11:23 AM ET
It wasn't meant as a total insult, lol. After all, Sestito did score 40+ goals for Plymouth in his D+1 year.
- Tomahawk


Which blows the theory of some that because Lawson Crouse isn't a point per game player this year in juniors that he can't be a good NHL player.

I mean Sestito was a point per game player his last year with Plymouth and well he was terrible at the NHL level.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
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Joined: 09.20.2013

Feb 3 @ 11:24 AM ET
Any updates on Timonen?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
mean Sestito was a point per game player his last year with Plymouth and well he was terrible at the NHL level.
- ob18


That's what scares me off the Nick Ritchie, Kassian, Tom Wilson types... huge bodies can mask a lot of deficiencies at that level.

Crouse is definitely not like them, tho.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 3 @ 11:27 AM ET
Which blows the theory of some that because Lawson Crouse isn't a point per game player this year in juniors that he can't be a good NHL player.

I mean Sestito was a point per game player his last year with Plymouth and well he was terrible at the NHL level.

- ob18


I think people are just worried he'll end up being like, well, Zach Kassian.
Tomahawk
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Feb 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
I think people are just worried he'll end up being like, well, Sean Couturier.
- NickTheKid87


ftfy
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
I think people are just worried he'll end up being like, well, Zach Kassian.
- NickTheKid87


That's part of doing their homework into scouting him, if that's what they believe then don't pick him, if they look at everything and say he's got potential then the choice is obvious.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 3 @ 11:28 AM ET
Is the Green Parrot still open from the night before at 10AM?
- johndewar

usually
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 11:29 AM ET
ftfy
- Tomahawk


Well Coots was putting up crazy numbers too & his role here he wasn't asked to do the same or try to
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 3 @ 11:32 AM ET
Dude SUCKS. Live with it. lol
- GOA88

When someone compares Zack Kassian to PEB, it's pretty clear they don't have a good grasp on the type of players that Kassian is. Zack Kassian is basically a bigger Steve Downie. My only concern would be him pulling a Zac Rinaldo on a player.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Feb 3 @ 11:34 AM ET
When someone compares Zack Kassian to PEB, it's pretty clear they don't have a good grasp on the type of players that Kassian is. Zack Kassian is basically a bigger Steve Downie. My only concern would be him pulling a Zac Rinaldo on a player.
- SuperSchennBros

My capacity for stupid is fairly low these days...
"Pulling a Rinaldo" is a smoke the brakes I'm stamping on them so hard kind of phrase for me when included in a trade proposal.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 3 @ 11:35 AM ET
Well Coots was putting up crazy numbers too & his role here he wasn't asked to do the same or try to
- ob18


Yeah, just meant in terms of the questions about offensive upside playing out.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 11:39 AM ET
Yeah, just meant in terms of the questions about offensive upside playing out.
- Tomahawk


We all know some players can carry a team & others usually are better with the right set of linemates.

The later is the likely one for many NHL players
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 3 @ 11:45 AM ET
So again I say Timo Meier
- ob18


Ranked 13th by these guys.

http://thehockeywriters.c...dterm-nhl-draft-rankings/
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
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Feb 3 @ 11:47 AM ET
Ranked 13th by these guys.

http://thehockeywriters.c...dterm-nhl-draft-rankings/

- Feanor


I know
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 3 @ 11:50 AM ET
If we could somehow trade back and add a first round pick and then get J. Roy and Meier I'd be very happy.

if the Flyers put Rinaldo on waivers and he clears can they stash him in the minors with no future cap hit? His 850K might be needed.
- jstross


Yes.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 3 @ 11:51 AM ET
That's part of doing their homework into scouting him, if that's what they believe then don't pick him, if they look at everything and say he's got potential then the choice is obvious.
- ob18


Not saying it's a fair comparison but I can see why, on the surface, people don't want that.
Tomahawk
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Feb 3 @ 11:52 AM ET
15.Travis Konecny
Ht/Wt: 5’10″/172 lbs

Position: C

Team: Ottawa 67’s (OHL)

Prospect Profiler Notes: Picasso-on-ice – sensational creativity and speed, bullet shot with rocket release; CHL Top Prospects Game player of the game.


ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
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Feb 3 @ 11:53 AM ET

- Tomahawk


He's another who is a worthy consideration in the 15 - 20 range
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Feb 3 @ 11:53 AM ET
Not saying it's a fair comparison but I can see why, on the surface, people don't want that.
- NickTheKid87


Drafting isn't perfect so yes they'll miss on some including 1st rounders.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 3 @ 11:54 AM ET
Drafting isn't perfect so yes they'll miss on some including 1st rounders.
- ob18


Yup. Let's hope the Flyers aren't one of the teams that inevitably miss in the top 15 this year. Let's also hope for a few steals in the later round. I know we all will be.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 3 @ 11:57 AM ET
15.Travis Konecny
Ht/Wt: 5’10″/172 lbs

Position: C

Team: Ottawa 67’s (OHL)

Prospect Profiler Notes: Picasso-on-ice – sensational creativity and speed, bullet shot with rocket release; CHL Top Prospects Game player of the game


- Tomahawk

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 3 @ 11:58 AM ET
When someone compares Zack Kassian to PEB, it's pretty clear they don't have a good grasp on the type of players that Kassian is. Zack Kassian is basically a bigger Steve Downie. My only concern would be him pulling a Zac Rinaldo on a player.
- SuperSchennBros


I meant in terms of where they'd fit in a lineup. 3rd/4th line players. Their games aren't similar.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 3 @ 11:58 AM ET
Yup. Let's hope the Flyers aren't one of the teams that inevitably miss in the top 15 this year. Let's also hope for a few steals in the later round. I know we all will be.
- NickTheKid87

That missing second round pick is going to be problematic
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 3 @ 12:00 PM ET
My capacity for stupid is fairly low these days...
"Pulling a Rinaldo" is a smoke the brakes I'm stamping on them so hard kind of phrase for me when included in a trade proposal.

- FlyersGrace

Late and dirty hits happen all the time. Physical players are never going to be perfect. The difference is Zack Kassian can play and reckless hits is all Rinaldo has to offer.

Zack Kassian is only 23 years old. He plays a more similar style to Steve Downie. Kassian was a good juniors player. He was teammates with Sean Couturier and Brayden Schenn in the 2011 world juniors. So I ask, what's the difference between waiting for Zack Kassian to develop, the same way we're waiting on Schenn and Couturier? Some fans are calling out our players to be cowards. I thought at the beginning of the season we should have signed Steve Ott. Now we lack in physical play. I think Kassian fills a need. I don't expect him to be a top six forward but he helps bring back a physical edge.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 3 @ 12:02 PM ET
That missing second round pick is going to be problematic
- mayorofangrytown


I would love to get one or two at the TDL for sure.
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