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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:30 PM ET
he would be a second or third line center here, and play PK for them at this point.

not for 5.75M and how many years he has left

I loved him as a flyer but that ship has sailed

- Marc D

he can play wing
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:31 PM ET
All Schenn will ever be is 4-5 man at best. I think by now if we were going to see more he would have developed a more consistent game by now
- 3flyerkids

he's a stay at home dman he's not going to be erik karlsson
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Feb 2 @ 4:33 PM ET
I thought he was their best Dman in the Ranger series last year. He did everything you mentioned above. However, he cannot do that on a consistent level. You never know what you are going to get from him, that's what makes him IMO a 4-5 guy.
this is his 7th season, I was just hoping we would get more value from him for the price we paid

- 3flyerkids


I was gonna add in that he was the best defender in the rangers series. Chipped in a really nice goal during that series, was doing everything you can ask of a big man defender. I guess you're right though, his inconsistency is what makes him a 4-5 kinda guy. Maybe wishful thinking, but I'm just hoping he finds consistency the rest of this season and next season, then he'll be a more than qualified nhl quality defender.
Daceroni
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AB
Joined: 11.20.2006

Feb 2 @ 4:33 PM ET
That's my view as well. He's not a big guy and he does have some issues being a consistent defensive player, but he's not scared of the physical game.
- Jsaquella

No he is not afraid of the Physical game just ask Bortuzzo!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
I was gonna add in that he was the best defender in the rangers series. Chipped in a really nice goal during that series, was doing everything you can ask of a big man defender. I guess you're right though, his inconsistency is what makes him a 4-5 kinda guy. Maybe wishful thinking, but I'm just hoping he finds consistency the rest of this season and next season, then he'll be a more than qualified nhl quality defender.
- benjichronic

pair him with a dman that can move the puck and he might look like kronwall with lidstrom
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Feb 2 @ 4:39 PM ET
pair him with a dman that can move the puck and he might look like kronwall with lidstrom
- 2Real


Now that is positive thinking
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 2 @ 4:42 PM ET
he can play wing
- 2Real

so what? he's not coming to philly
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 2 @ 4:42 PM ET
Flyers with Mason: 11-12-6

Flyers without Mason: 11-10-1

Seems like they're doing better when Mason is out than when he is in.

- Feanor


The difference there is, Mason is widely acknowledged as having played at an exceptionally good level, where as Coburn has played at a subpar level, for the most part.

Statistically, that's shown to be the case. The team's biggest area of trouble, the PK, is a spot where Coburn was heavily counted on. Despite missing 20 games so far, Coburn has been on the ice for 19 of the 43 PPGs against the Flyers.

Outside of Matt Read, Coburn is probably the Flyers biggest disappointment this season.
aflyerpower8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AL
Joined: 06.03.2014

Feb 2 @ 4:48 PM ET
so what? he's not coming to philly
- Marc D


buzzkill
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 2 @ 4:49 PM ET
so what? he's not coming to philly
- Marc D

after we trade vinny and read we'll need someone to fill in the gap
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 2 @ 4:51 PM ET
Most improved using current pace points


Least improved
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 2 @ 5:03 PM ET
after we trade vinny and read we'll need someone to fill in the gap
- 2Real

now it's my turn
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 2 @ 5:04 PM ET
now it's my turn

- Marc D

you don't think we can trade vinny?
ThirdEye
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ardmore, PA
Joined: 01.04.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:08 PM ET
you don't think he would have anything to offer the philadelphia flyers?
- 2Real


For what he's being paid?? Hell no.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 2 @ 5:09 PM ET
For what he's being paid?? Hell no.
- ThirdEye

I think Vinny has tremendous value to a bubble playoff team that needs an experienced winner
ThirdEye
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ardmore, PA
Joined: 01.04.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:09 PM ET
I think Vinny has tremendous value to a bubble playoff team that needs an experienced winner
- 2Real


What does Vinny have to do with Richards?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 2 @ 5:12 PM ET
Who would you rather have? AMac at 5Mill per season or Phaneuf a 7Mill?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 2 @ 5:12 PM ET
What does Vinny have to do with Richards?
- ThirdEye


Vinny is a Richard
ThirdEye
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ardmore, PA
Joined: 01.04.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:13 PM ET
Who would you rather have? AMac at 5Mill per season or Phaneuf a 7Mill?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I'll probably get slammed for this, but honestly, I'd rather have Dion at 7.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 2 @ 5:15 PM ET
I win, game over.
- BulliesPhan87

Was there ever any doubt? No.

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:15 PM ET
you don't think we can trade vinny?
- 2Real


I won't even lie: I keep reading this post, then refreshing the page, to see if there is an edit or sarcasm notation or some addition that says "2Real is just (frank)ing with the board today"
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:19 PM ET
I'll probably get slammed for this, but honestly, I'd rather have Dion at 7.
- ThirdEye


Nope, I would too -- simple math for me. With two onerous contracts, take the better player and figure it out from there

You are screwed either way. At least take the more valuable asset that you might be able to flip again at some point because talent is talent
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 2 @ 5:19 PM ET
I won't even lie: I keep reading this post, then refreshing the page, to see if there is an edit or sarcasm notation or some addition that says "2Real is just (frank)ing with the board today"
- AllInForFlyers

"Today?!?"
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:22 PM ET
"Today?!?"
- Flyskippy


Ha! Now, I love "Sundays with 2Real," but where he is today, I simply cannot follow


ThirdEye
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ardmore, PA
Joined: 01.04.2013

Feb 2 @ 5:26 PM ET
Nope, I would too -- simple math for me. With two onerous contracts, take the better player and figure it out from there

You are screwed either way. At least take the more valuable asset that you might be able to flip again at some point because talent is talent

- AllInForFlyers


I firmly believe Phaneuf can turn it around under the right circumstances too. I really liked him on the Flames. Amac is what he is.
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