I'm having a NERVOUS BREAKDOWN!! I can't take this ANYMORE!!!
- MEBSabresFAN

The last time you got this worked up was the night before your first election cycle as Councilman...you ended up in the ER...and you were running unopposed!

[quote=Ihateallofu]id bet anything that unbiased and/or non sabre fans don't agree
with this statement whatsoever.
best by far?
carried them in the prelims?

what tournament did you watch?

that was a dominant effort by an entire team. 4 lines deep. 2 true scoring lines. an offensive top pair, a fantastic shutdown pair.
good goaltending.
like no weak links hardly.
your statements totally downplay the stellar play of nic petan, mcdavid, domi, bowey, nurse, lazar, duclair etc etc..
Like it was reinhart, then a bunch of lesser players. if that's what you saw, you need take the glasses off.

no one carried that team in any way shape or form. they could've won without any one of the stars that played well imo.

it would be no less silly for me to say that nurse carried them actually. and he was by far their best player.
I don't think he carried them by any means, but he was certainly one of their best players




Who did the coach turn to for his TOP LINE?

Who did the Team Turn to for their CAPTAIN?

Who Took the important draws?

You're right though, Samson Reinhart was just all hype and his father pulled some strings and got him a gig in the NHL, he will be a wasted draft pick, OH WAIT , The Oilers already have used up all the "wasted draft picks" for this decade!
we can argue who we thought was their best player if you like, that's fine.
but youre absolutely confusing the term 'carried' with best.
- Ihateallofu

The last time you got this worked up was the night before your first election cycle as Councilman...you ended up in the ER...and you were running unopposed!
- LandlordTom

There was something funny in the Jungle that night!!

[quote=Ihateallofu]id bet anything that unbiased and/or non sabre fans don't agree
with this statement whatsoever.
best by far?
carried them in the prelims?

what tournament did you watch?

that was a dominant effort by an entire team. 4 lines deep. 2 true scoring lines. an offensive top pair, a fantastic shutdown pair.
good goaltending.
like no weak links hardly.
your statements totally downplay the stellar play of nic petan, mcdavid, domi, bowey, nurse, lazar, duclair etc etc..
Like it was reinhart, then a bunch of lesser players. if that's what you saw, you need take the glasses off.

no one carried that team in any way shape or form. they could've won without any one of the stars that played well imo.

it would be no less silly for me to say that nurse carried them actually. and he was by far their best player.
I don't think he carried them by any means, but he was certainly one of their best players




Who did the coach turn to for his TOP LINE?

Who did the Team Turn to for their CAPTAIN?

Who Took the important draws?

You're right though, Samson Reinhart was just all hype and his father pulled some strings and got him a gig in the NHL, he will be a wasted draft pick, OH WAIT , The Oilers already have used up all the "wasted draft picks" for this decade!
we can argue who we thought was their best player if you like, that's fine.
but youre absolutely confusing the term 'carried' with best.
- Ihateallofu
- MEBSabresFAN

I think you're mis interpreting here. Nobody's calling him a bust lets not pretend like Reinhart was the sole reason Canada won. That team was stacked and it was Reinhart's LINE (i know you love your caps) that they turned to in big situations. Team effort from start to finish.

How can you consider this "Purposeful Rebuild" a disaster? You suggest we as fans didn't know what was coming our way when we traded away our top end talent. WE ALL KNEW WHAT WAS COMING, so enough of "We deserve it" there are a number of teams that have been struggling just as long and for different reasons than we have. This idea, that IF we don't land one of the TWO we are a total WASTE, is completely out of line. You go on, and on about teams who didn't have two great centers but had other talent around them, without even knowing what our youth will develop into. How do you know we won't have a "Great" defensive group, how do you know we won't have star players. We have the STRONGEST prospect pool in the entire league and you simply DISMISS them as not being anything. I understand you want one of the TWO but to suggest that this team will never become a Champion without one of them is simply your opinion. I know when our youth matures, with

Kane/Reinhart/Moulson
Ennis/Girgensens/Foligno
Gregerenko/Strome/ Baptiste
Compher/Larson/Fasching
Bailey
- MEBSabresFAN

What I am saying is that if you are going to spend 3 years at or near the bottom, you had better come out of it as a championship team. Anything less than that is unacceptable. And you win championships with great players, up front and on defense. Right now, this forward group, if everyone meets expectations projects to good. There is very little great. And they need great.

I think you're mis interpreting here. Nobody's calling him a bust lets not pretend like Reinhart was the sole reason Canada won. That team was stacked and it was Reinhart's LINE (i know you love your caps) that they turned to in big situations. Team effort from start to finish.
- Sabresfan-365

And yet, despite not getting anywhere near the most ice time, McDavid still led his team in scoring.

Canada's coach turned to experience rather than skill. That Canadian top line, while good, was also very veteran.

I think you're mis interpreting here. Nobody's calling him a bust lets not pretend like Reinhart was the sole reason Canada won. That team was stacked and it was Reinhart's LINE (i know you love your caps) that they turned to in big situations. Team effort from start to finish.
- Sabresfan-365

i never said he "carried" the team, I was responding to the poster who is all doom and gloom and Reinhart won't be a Number #1 center. Can we agree he was better than advertised on the largest stage he has ever played upon?

What I am saying is that if you are going to spend 3 years at or near the bottom, you had better come out of it as a championship team. Anything less than that is unacceptable. And you win championships with great players, up front and on defense. Right now, this forward group, if everyone meets expectations projects to good. There is very little great. And they need great.
- buffalofan19

You mentioned they need someone who is better than Reinhart to be considered a great team, they will probably get that player this year even if they miss out on mceichel. I think the only major difference is time. As in how long it will take for this team to become great.

And yet, despite not getting anywhere near the most ice time, McDavid still tied for the team lead in scoring.
- buffalofan19

You mentioned they need someone who is better than Reinhart to be considered a great team, they will probably get that player this year even if they miss out on mceichel. I think the only major difference is time. As in how long it will take for this team to become great.
- Sabresfan-365

The problem, here, that people seem to miss about not landing one of McDavid or Eichel is not simply that they are not going to be on the Sabres roster. It's also that both of them will be on somebody else's roster, which is also going to be an obstacle to this team becoming great.

And yet, despite not getting anywhere near the most ice time, McDavid still led his team in scoring.

Canada's coach turned to experience rather than skill. That Canadian top line, while good, was also very veteran.
- buffalofan19

That's usually what wins this tournament. It's why I backed Finland hard during the 2014 WJ's. For no other reason than they had the oldest group of the bunch. I think Russia was the oldest this year and they were probably the closest to winning it aside from Canada.

The problem, here, that people seem to miss about not landing one of McDavid or Eichel is not simply that they are not going to be on the Sabres roster. It's also that both of them will be on somebody else's roster, which is also going to be an obstacle to this team becoming great.
- buffalofan19

Really depends on the team. But usually having good management can overcome this (well unless you're just poop out of luck and both somehow end up in your division)

Really depends on the team. But usually having good management can overcome this (well unless you're just poop out of luck and both somehow end up in your division)
- Sabresfan-365

Personally, I'm tired of having to "make it work". Going through all this, call it a rebuild, call it a four years of complete ineptitude (though the two aren't mutually exclusive), call it whatever you want, to come out of this with a consolation prize would be absolutely frustrating.

Personally, I'm tired of having to "make it work". Going through all this, call it a rebuild, call it a four years of complete ineptitude (though the two aren't mutually exclusive), call it whatever you want, to come out of this with a consolation prize would be absolutely frustrating.
- buffalofan19

I agree 100% I was just trying to play devils advocate on the whole reinhart bit.

Well that was an exciting back read.

Reinhart is a stud. Nothing more needs to be said.

But, yes drafting Hanifin or Strome sounds incredibly depressing right now

Reinhart is a stud. Nothing more needs to be said.

But, yes drafting Hanifin or Strome sounds incredibly depressing right now
- sbroads24

Reinhart might exceed our expectations. But we do need another from this draft.

Well that was an exciting back read.
- cabin

Please Jesus just let us get McEichel. Being a Sabres fan will be dam near impossible if we don't. The pissing contests and complaining will be too much. Myself included.

Please Jesus just let us get McEichel. Being a Sabres fan will be dam near impossible if we don't. The pissing contests and complaining will be too much. Myself included.
- Buffalo-Sabres

Agreed. They better put beer on sale and higher security at all bridges,tall buildings,and remove all big screen tvs from bars.

I stand by this. With Reinhart as a # 1 center, this team becomes a good one. With Reinhart as a #2 center, this team becomes a great one. After the disaster that has been the last three years (or more depending on who you talk to), to me, only the latter is acceptable.
- buffalofan19

Stanley Cup Champions have an #1 elite Center.....that they drafted.

I am just tired of the attitude that "Buffalo" is DUE one of those players because we have suffered so long. That isn't really the case. We "choose" to rebuild. There is a huge difference between what our organization has done in a methodical nature, compared to What the LEAFS and DEVILS will be dealing with over the next few years.

Do you not believe the LEAFS have suffered?

The major difference is that we planned on this and we are reaping the rewards of our plan. That does not equate to "ineptitude" in any sense of the word. We all have to remember that this is a still a game of Hockey and we are the worst team in the league this year. Unfortunately that doesn't guarantee us landing in 30th. I am very satisfied with Tim Murray's performance this past season. The fact he had the ability to get a stud winger and stud D-Man is a bonus!

You control what is in your realm of control, puck bounces, goalies, are all uncontrollable. There is no question that Buffalo and Arizona are the two worst teams in the league. I hope we get one of those generational players, but wanting and guaranteeing it are two completely different things.

Stanley Cup Champions have an #1 elite Center.....that they drafted.
- RynoBull

Do you know we don't have a #1 Elite Center in our organization?

Name the past 10 Stanley Cup Champions that had an Elite Center.

And then define "Elite"

Personally, I'm tired of having to "make it work". Going through all this, call it a rebuild, call it a four years of complete ineptitude (though the two aren't mutually exclusive), call it whatever you want, to come out of this with a consolation prize would be absolutely frustrating.
- buffalofan19

I agree. And by consolation prize I assume your mean anything less than Eichel. That report that came out that said Buffalo is 'on the list' of least desirable places to play, that was assuming that Mceichel would change that. If we don't get Mceichel does Ted Black go back to throwing Harbor Center in our faces when we express frustration with the subpar hockey product?

Reinhart is a stud. Nothing more needs to be said.

But, yes drafting Hanifin or Strome sounds incredibly depressing right now
- sbroads24

What if they traded the pick? I'm genuinely curious what the reaction around here would be.