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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 24 @ 9:31 AM ET
It was the year Pegula took over, which was 2010-2011. He was a major reason this team became as incompetent as it did.
- buffalofan19

That's the year before.

He scored 30 in 60 the year we won the division last
Pegula took over after 2011-2012 when we lost to the Flyers

Edit: You're right, I got my years mixed up.

He scored 30 the year we lost to the Flyers
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:34 AM ET
That's the year before.

He scored 30 in 60 the year we won the division last
Pegula took over after 2011-2012 when we lost to the Flyers

- sbroads24



http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...o:48008#&navid=nhl-search

2009-2010 Sabres 71 14 20 34 4 35 5 0 1 181 7.7
2010-2011 Sabres 62 31 21 52 13 34 11 0 4 179 17.3
2011-2012 Sabres 80 20 30 50 5 46 3 1 4 226 8.8


They won the division in 2009-2010, the year of the Olympics.

Pegula closed on the team in February of 2011, which was the year Stafford scored 30, which was also a contract year.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 24 @ 9:38 AM ET
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471226&docid=TeamPlayerBio:48008#&navid=nhl-search

2009-2010 Sabres 71 14 20 34 4 35 5 0 1 181 7.7
2010-2011 Sabres 62 31 21 52 13 34 11 0 4 179 17.3
2011-2012 Sabres 80 20 30 50 5 46 3 1 4 226 8.8


They won the division in 2009-2010, the year of the Olympics.

Pegula closed on the team in February of 2011, which was the year Stafford scored 30, which was also a contract year.

- buffalofan19

Right, he also scored 20 goals and 50 points the year after he signed his deal. It's not like he signed and then immediately became incompetent
RynoBull
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BFLO
Joined: 02.13.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:59 AM ET
Right, he also scored 20 goals and 50 points the year after he signed his deal. It's not like he signed and then immediately became incompetent
- sbroads24


no he was always average but had 1 really good year.

Kind of like Myers but Stafford waited a few years to peak.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:03 AM ET
Right, he also scored 20 goals and 50 points the year after he signed his deal. It's not like he signed and then immediately became incompetent
- sbroads24



He is what he is.


He's played 580 of 653 possible games (88.8% or 72.83 games)

He's scored 336 points in those 580 games (.5793ppg)

He'll get you around 72/73 games played and around 42 points per season.

Sometimes he uses his body sometimes he doesn't. He found a more physical game under Nolan. Lets see if it continue's beyond this season. Guys that are in the midst of a playoff push sometimes find another gear. It'll be interesting to see if he continue's to play this way in the coming years.

In the end he is a mid tier to bottom end 2nd line player.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Mar 24 @ 10:03 AM ET
Incredible view.

http://www.bing.com/
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Mar 24 @ 10:04 AM ET
Totally agree DD.

Stafford is a tweener. He can play 2nd line but most of the time he is best on the 3rd line, if you plan on having a team go deep in the playoffs.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:05 AM ET
Position open. send in your resumes

http://wivb.com/2015/03/2...esident-to-leave-company/
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Mar 24 @ 10:07 AM ET
Is this kinda of like Cain/Hackman theory from PCU?
- dadeadhead

I always watch that movie if I see it when channel surfing...
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:10 AM ET
I don't always watch that movie but if it's on while channel surfing......I do
- jochfr



Dk why but that is how I read it.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Mar 24 @ 10:17 AM ET
http://my.hockeybuzz.com/...st_id=16755&user_id=22120
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Mar 24 @ 10:18 AM ET
Dk why but that is how I read it.
- dadeadhead

Breasts.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:21 AM ET
http://my.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16755&user_id=22120
- kingcong39



I know where a DeLorean can be found but when it gets to 88 mph it is accompanied by several tickets rather than vibrant colors and a travel through time.......
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:27 AM ET
http://my.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16755&user_id=22120
- kingcong39

Good reed Kong
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Mar 24 @ 10:35 AM ET
http://my.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16755&user_id=22120
- kingcong39


Good write up cong.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:42 AM ET
He is what he is.


He's played 580 of 653 possible games (88.8% or 72.83 games)

He's scored 336 points in those 580 games (.5793ppg)

He'll get you around 72/73 games played and around 42 points per season.

Sometimes he uses his body sometimes he doesn't. He found a more physical game under Nolan. Lets see if it continue's beyond this season. Guys that are in the midst of a playoff push sometimes find another gear. It'll be interesting to see if he continue's to play this way in the coming years.

In the end he is a mid tier to bottom end 2nd line player.

- dadeadhead

Kane over his career will get you 50 if he plays 82 games.

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:47 AM ET
Kane over his career will get you 50 if he plays 82 games.
- sbroads24



Wrong.

361 of 458

64.63 games.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
Kane over his career will get you 50 if he plays 82 games.
- sbroads24

Good chance he gets more . Top line minutes and he is still young. Not peaked yet we hope.
BackSlider
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man, CO
Joined: 07.05.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:51 AM ET
We are currently at 79% odds to finish in last place compared to ARI's 19%.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Mar 24 @ 10:54 AM ET
Kane over his career will get you 50 if he plays 82 games.
- sbroads24


Going to throw this in there. Drew Stafford is a known quantity. Kane is not. Kane is just beginning his prime.

You've got horse guts on your baseball bat.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:54 AM ET
Wrong.

361 of 458

64.63 games.

- dadeadhead

50 points

222 points in 361 games

.61 PPG .61 x82 =50.42


...not wrong
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:59 AM ET
50 points

222 points in 361 games

.61 PPG .61 x82 =50.42


...not wrong

- sbroads24



Well being you highlighted an area where I stated Stafford gives you 72/73 gp and 42.

Kane will give you about 40 in 64 gp.

So yeah wrong as Kane has one season where he played a full year and that was 48 of 48.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 24 @ 11:02 AM ET
He's a 2nd liner on a good team now and is producing.....
- sbroads24

so.........................our centers have not been good for the last 6 years


got it
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 24 @ 11:04 AM ET
I always watch that movie if I see it when channel surfing...
- jochfr

yup that, miller's crossing and the usual suspects


3 movies I always leave on with commercials even though I own the dvd

I have much to learn
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 24 @ 11:04 AM ET
so.........................our centers have not been good for the last 6 years


got it

- homiedclown

Right. Which has always been my point.

Great centers or even very good ones can make good wingers look great. You don't need to build around one. We gave up a package for a guy that you don't build around
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