once you're no longer an employee the company shouldn't be responsible for you.
- EducatedOpinion

Amen! I feel this way about pensions, too. I'm an advocate of ending them all, asap. They are a huge drag on corporations and taxpayers. (However, I do believe that those who have been promised one should get every penny promised.)

Would anyone here trade Simmonds to Edmonton for the Pens first rounder they have and maybe someone like Musil or Klefbom?


I think the Oilers could maybe use someone to ride shotgun with McDavid a little.

It would give the Flyers a young defenseman and also another pick in first round.

Would anyone here trade Simmonds to Edmonton for the Pens first rounder they have and maybe someone like Musil or Klefbom?


I think the Oilers could maybe use someone to ride shotgun with McDavid a little.

It would give the Flyers a young defenseman and also another pick in first round.
- J35Bacher

I'm doubting the Oilers trade any of their defensemen, unless there's a better one coming back in return. It's a definite weak spot for them.

If the Flyers did what was originally brought up (basically tell him that he's never going to play but must participate in all team functions), I don't think Lecavalier has any legal recourse. They are still paying him (fairly well) and there is nothing that I see that would violate the terms of his contract (without seeing it in full in front of me). Is it unprofessional, absolutely. But they are paying him to be a member of the Philadelphia Flyers, which means that he would have to participate in all Philadelphia-Flyers-related events (with the exception of excused absences) whether or not he is in the lineup on any given night.

Now, he could complain to his NHLPA representative who would formal an internal grievance against the team.
- jmatchett383

The Flyers can absolutely tell Lecavalier that they don't see him as part of the future, and they have doubts that he can earn a spot in the lineup, and he may be better off going somewhere else. What they can't do however, is use that as leverage to coerce him to accept a trade, or force him to agree to walk away from future years of his deal, in order for the Flyers to be able to move him in a trade. There's an important distinction there.

7th overall
22nd overall
Braydn Schenn
Luke Schenn
for
OEL Flyers get a number one defender.

Would anyone here trade Simmonds to Edmonton for the Pens first rounder they have and maybe someone like Musil or Klefbom?


I think the Oilers could maybe use someone to ride shotgun with McDavid a little.

It would give the Flyers a young defenseman and also another pick in first round.
- J35Bacher

I would strongly consider it.. as much as I love Simmonds and what he brings to the table. If they're gonna rebuild, do it all out.

We don't know where that pick is though yet, right? Or am I wrong..?

The Flyers can absolutely tell Lecavalier that they don't see him as part of the future, and they have doubts that he can earn a spot in the lineup, and he may be better off going somewhere else. What they can't do however, is use that as leverage to coerce him to accept a trade, or force him to agree to walk away from future years of his deal, in order for the Flyers to be able to move him in a trade. There's an important distinction there.
- MJL

How would you see the distinction marked? Are you saying they'd come out and verbally tell him (more or less), "If you don't get traded/walk away, you're never playing again?" That's the only way I could see an issue.

How would you see the distinction marked? Are you saying they'd come out and verbally tell him (more or less), "If you don't get traded/walk away, you're never playing again?" That's the only way I could see an issue.
- jmatchett383

You take him out to lunch, and get a burger and fries. You wait until your fries get cold and stale.. drop it on the floor and step on it and say "You know, it's a shame how food that was once good gets old, and no longer has it's use. But you know what? That little broken fry down there still has a purpose... Just not on my plate. It needs to go outside and feed those pigeons out there on the sidewalk. Know what I'm saying Vinny??"

And if he doesn't get it...

"I don't even like damn fries, Vinny! My dad made me eat them, and now I need to deal with them when they're on my plate. I just want them off my plate, so I can eat a nice clean burger... amirite Vin?"

I would strongly consider it.. as much as I love Simmonds and what he brings to the table. If they're gonna rebuild, do it all out.

We don't know where that pick is though yet, right? Or am I wrong..?
- WarriorHockey21

I don't think so yet. Of course it will be in the bottom half.

I was trying to find a way to get more assets.

How about this trade:


To Oilers:
Simmonds
Gorssmann

To Flyers:
Pens 2015 1st rounder

Then....

Flyers make deal with Buffalo

To Buffalo:
B.Schenn
All 3 first rounders

To Flyers:
Eichel


Now that would make the Draft interesting.

Lets get a little crazy with an extreme example.

Good on Carcillo making a video like that, its just unfortunate that it may take a "star" in the league to do the same thing and get this issue more attention.

Now the focal point. I am a hockey fan, and understand what these guys risk with their future and their health by playing the game. Who wouldn't for such money.

How is the game today, or pro sports in general different than old roman times where the "games" and coliseum was just a tool to distract the mob from the real issues around them?

Good on Carcillo for trying to make the sport more than just a way for people to escape reality and be "entertained".

It's chilling to think of Montador's death, and not see the NHL and NHLPA step up efforts to assist former players more, especially after the deaths of Rick Rypien, Wade Belak and Derek Boogaard a few years ago.

Like the NFL, the NHL is facing legal action by former players. if the league and the PA would be more attentive to the needs of former players, maybe Montador's story doesn't end so sadly.
- Jsaquella

Bob Probert too. And, while not a fighter, Stephane Richier suffered from depression that was pretty severe too.

I don't think so yet. Of course it will be in the bottom half.

I was trying to find a way to get more assets.

How about this trade:


To Oilers:
Simmonds
Gorssmann

To Flyers:
Pens 2015 1st rounder

Then....

Flyers make deal with Buffalo

To Buffalo:
B.Schenn
All 3 first rounders

To Flyers:
Eichel


Now that would make the Draft interesting.
- J35Bacher

buffalo wouldnt trade 1st

buffalo wouldnt trade 1st
- Winning

Idk man.. 3 first rounders + BSchenn? That would be awful enticing, even if we are talking Eichel.

Would anyone here trade Simmonds to Edmonton for the Pens first rounder they have and maybe someone like Musil or Klefbom?


I think the Oilers could maybe use someone to ride shotgun with McDavid a little.

It would give the Flyers a young defenseman and also another pick in first round.
- J35Bacher

I would do Simmonds for Draisaitl and the Pens 1st.

The Oilers are going to be desparate for veteran help. They will try for a top 1 or 2 defensemen, but nobody is trading those. So I think a big physical winger to ride shotgun and offer a little protection for McDavid would be very appealing. With RNH and McDavid there is a little need for Draisaitl.

I don't think so yet. Of course it will be in the bottom half.

I was trying to find a way to get more assets.

How about this trade:


To Oilers:
Simmonds
Gorssmann

To Flyers:
Pens 2015 1st rounder

Then....

Flyers make deal with Buffalo

To Buffalo:
B.Schenn
All 3 first rounders

To Flyers:
Eichel


Now that would make the Draft interesting.
- J35Bacher

So, you want to essentially trade:
Simmonds
Grossmann
B. Schenn
3 1st round picks

for Eichel? No thanks.

How would you see the distinction marked? Are you saying they'd come out and verbally tell him (more or less), "If you don't get traded/walk away, you're never playing again?" That's the only way I could see an issue.
- jmatchett383

The Flyers would be essentially bullying Lecavalier into a situation. They can't tell him as the poster suggested earlier that started the conversation, that he has to be willing to agree to walk away from a few years of his contract, so we can get a team to accept a trade for you. That would most certainly end up as a greivance filed with the NHLPA, and the Flyers in hot water.

All they can do is spell out the situation honestly, and let Lecavalier make his own decision without pressure or coercion.

Idk man.. 3 first rounders + BSchenn? That would be awful enticing, even if we are talking Eichel.
- WarriorHockey21

Buffalo has no reason to shop Eichel. They need a cornerstone player to build around. If they were willing to take that offer then why not just take 3, Chicago's 1st and a player along the lines of Schenn from Arizona?

The Flyers would be essentially bullying Lecavalier into a situation. They can't tell him as the poster suggested earlier that started the conversation, that he has to be willing to agree to walk away from a few years of his contract, so we can get a team to accept a trade for you. That would most certainly end up as a greivance filed with the NHLPA, and the Flyers in hot water.

All they can do is spell out the situation honestly, and let Lecavalier make his own decision without pressure or coercion.
- MJL

Its slightly comical that they are trying to so hard to get rid of the player.

Yet the man who brought him in to the organization in the first place, gets a nice and cushy position upstairs.

buffalo wouldnt trade 1st
- Winning

Ok.

Well then I just use all 3 and build with a solid draft.

Oilers
Taylor Hall
for
Braydn Schenn
7th overall
22nd overall
Luke Schenn

Buffalo has no reason to shop Eichel. They need a cornerstone player to build around. If they were willing to take that offer then why not just take 3, Chicago's 1st and a player along the lines of Schenn from Arizona?
- hereticpride

They don't need to shop him.. I think the offers will be aplenty. But that's beside the point that I don't think they are moving in position.. nor would I even advocate doing a deal of 3 first rounders + for Eichel.

The Flyers would be essentially bullying Lecavalier into a situation. They can't tell him as the poster suggested earlier that started the conversation, that he has to be willing to agree to walk away from a few years of his contract, so we can get a team to accept a trade for you. That would most certainly end up as a greivance filed with the NHLPA, and the Flyers in hot water.

All they can do is spell out the situation honestly, and let Lecavalier make his own decision without pressure or coercion.
- MJL

The Flyers can fully well allow him to seek a trade elsewhere because they don't plan on letting him play. As long as they pay him and don't lock him out of the room there is ZERO precedence for this becoming an issue. No where in NHL contracts is ice time guaranteed. If a team says "hey, we'll take you if you hang em up in a year or two" then that's between Vinny and that team. With the NTC he would be signing off on that. And if Vinny has a change of heart well then that team is on the hook. That's the risk they took.

Again there is zero precedence for anything here being an issue. Telling a player you aren't playing him is not breaking any rules plain and simple.

Oilers
Taylor Hall
for
Braydn Schenn
7th overall
22nd overall
Luke Schenn
- Winning

Go outside and play.

Oilers
Taylor Hall
for
Braydn Schenn
7th overall
22nd overall
Luke Schenn
- Winning

I don't want anything from Edmonton. What a useless organization.

Oilers
Taylor Hall
for
Braydn Schenn
7th overall
22nd overall
Luke Schenn
- Winning

That's a tough one to consider. Hall is a phenomenal winger. I think the Oilers will be shopping him or whatever forward they decide to move for D help though.

I can fully see a deal for Josi falling into place for them.