Don't get me wrong i'm all for Talbot would love to have him, but wouldn't give up a 2nd for him...... if i'm giving up a 2nd i want somebody we'd have control over, you know what i'm saying.
- SJSharks39

Simple...

Sharks: Talbot
Rangers: 3rd (conditionally upgrades to a 2nd if Talbot re-signs with SJ)

Simple...

Sharks: Talbot
Rangers: 3rd (conditionally upgrades to a 2nd if Talbot re-signs with SJ)
- SJFreez19

We don't have a third to give though.

Simple...

Sharks: Talbot
Rangers: 3rd (conditionally upgrades to a 2nd if Talbot re-signs with SJ)
- SJFreez19

Maybe, trade Wingels or Nieto to pick up a third and a prospect. Then move the third for Talbot with the conditional upgrade.

Would the Rangers even be interested in trading Talbot for a 2nd? If they did trade him who would backup the King?

But why would you give up a 2nd rd pick for potentially 1yr of a goalie?
- SJSharks39

We are in desperate need of an upgrade in net. Personally I'd rather look at FA options over a trade but if we had no other options, we'd still have to get someone somehow. I don't know enough about Talbot to know if a 2nd is an overpayment or not, but if we are stuck after FA with no options left we will likely have to overpay via trade to get someone.

We are in desperate need of an upgrade in net. Personally I'd rather look at FA options over a trade but if we had no other options, we'd still have to get someone somehow. I don't know enough about Talbot to know if a 2nd is an overpayment or not, but if we are stuck after FA with no options left we will likely have to overpay via trade to get someone.
- Sharks_12

We aren't in a position where we have to overpay for a goalie. We're not a goalie away from a stanley cup. Just take the focus off having to win NOW. Focus on building up our team next year, and then the year after we'll take our run. Keep that perspective, and it'll help put things into focus.

Simple...

Sharks: Talbot
Rangers: 3rd (conditionally upgrades to a 2nd if Talbot re-signs with SJ)
- SJFreez19

We don't have a 3rd untill 2017...........the Rangers wouldn't go for that they'd want picks for this draft b/c they only got 4 picks.

I do get what you are saying.

Talbot to me is simply the best, most likely available choice. He played outstanding for the Rangers and secured them another prez trophy. My only issue with him is, it seems the shots that beat him are point shots. He stops all the shots I'd feel certain Niemi would let in up close, but he occasionally let's in a point shot I think he should have had. I'd rather pay a 2nd for him than anything for Lehner, who is a "project" goalie, not certain to be a starter caliber.

The other guy I would want is Anderson. Reasonable cap hit and we know where he stands.

Ramo as UFA would be one I want to take a shot at where it comes to UFA's. The best thing about UFA's are, it only costs us Cap space, not assets.
- j0e Th0rnton

I think that might be our best course of action going after Ramo give him a 2yr deal, b/c we don't know if Stalock will be brought back after this season, it just depends on how fairs. But if we give Ramo a 2yr deal we'd then have the security of knowing we'd have a goalie for the 2017 season.

We are in desperate need of an upgrade in net. Personally I'd rather look at FA options over a trade but if we had no other options, we'd still have to get someone somehow. I don't know enough about Talbot to know if a 2nd is an overpayment or not, but if we are stuck after FA with no options left we will likely have to overpay via trade to get someone.
- Sharks_12

Talbot has 53 career starts 57 games played with a 2.00 GAA 931sv% this past season was kinda a down year for him though, i mean Nemo had a better quality start % than him this year. Like i said i just wouldn't be comfortable giving up a 2nd for potentially 1yr of service.

Would the Rangers even be interested in trading Talbot for a 2nd? If they did trade him who would backup the King?
- Sharks_12

Yeah losing out on O'Conner probably sqaushes a Talbot trade, if anything they'd move him at the deadline next year.

We aren't in a position where we have to overpay for a goalie. We're not a goalie away from a stanley cup. Just take the focus off having to win NOW. Focus on building up our team next year, and then the year after we'll take our run. Keep that perspective, and it'll help put things into focus.
- IDtheJC

This

We got the realignment of the new AHL divisions if anybodys interested.....
http://theahl.com/ahl-ann...nment-for-2015-16-p197883

We aren't in a position where we have to overpay for a goalie. We're not a goalie away from a stanley cup. Just take the focus off having to win NOW. Focus on building up our team next year, and then the year after we'll take our run. Keep that perspective, and it'll help put things into focus.
- IDtheJC

This is why I'd rather get a younger guy over an older guy like Anderson. Get someone who could be a longer term solution.

The reason I'd like to get a goalie sooner rather than later is so the goalie and the players have time to get used to each other. And we could also make some riskier FA signings and hope someone pans out. I'd also be against trading away resources when there could be a diamond in the rough out there for just some cap space (which we should have lots of).

I think that might be our best course of action going after Ramo give him a 2yr deal, b/c we don't know if Stalock will be brought back after this season, it just depends on how fairs. But if we give Ramo a 2yr deal we'd then have the security of knowing we'd have a goalie for the 2017 season.
- SJSharks39

Leave Ramo alone

Hiller for a 2nd (we are collecting those)

I'm looking at the free agent lists and half of the players are either too old or are ex Sharks/Enforcers. The good players will be gone by the first day.

Talbot has 53 career starts 57 games played with a 2.00 GAA 931sv% this past season was kinda a down year for him though, i mean Nemo had a better quality start % than him this year. Like i said i just wouldn't be comfortable giving up a 2nd for potentially 1yr of service.
- SJSharks39

21 wins, 9 losses and 4 OT/SO with a 2.21gaa and 92.6% and 5 Shutouts was a down year for him?

His start quality was a bit skewed this season since the bulk of his games played happened during Lundqvist's injury. King Henrik was out for almost all of February and March, during which time Talbot went 16-4-3 and Ranger fans were going crazy lol.

I dunno, he is pretty damn good. I understand others might be reluctant. I would pull the trigger personally. Talbot is 27 years old and almost ideal for us. Most rag fans now are resigned to the fact that he is going to command a starting position somewhere and he is going to be shipped.

I'm looking at the free agent lists and half of the players are either too old or are ex Sharks/Enforcers. The good players will be gone by the first day.
- SharksDivision1

Yeah, we really don't need much honestly. We already have most of our forwards: Pavelski, Thornton, Karlsson, Couture, Marleau, Wingels, Nieto, Hertl, Tierney, Goodrow, Smith

Defense: Vlasic, Burns, Braun, Dillon, Mueller

So, really we need 1 forward and 1 defenseman. We can get both of those internally. Really our lacking is our goaltending depth. So we can make a play to get a goaltender somehow, bring back Stalock, and our team will be all set.

Our best trade assets are Wingels, Nieto, and Dillon. They're under control, affordable, and still pretty young. They can be used to get a goalie or get more picks so we can help repair and rebuild our prospect system that has been neglected for way too long.

Yeah, we really don't need much honestly. We already have most of our forwards: Pavelski, Thornton, Karlsson, Couture, Marleau, Wingels, Nieto, Hertl, Tierney, Goodrow, Smith

Defense: Vlasic, Burns, Braun, Dillon, Mueller

So, really we need 1 forward and 1 defenseman. We can get both of those internally. Really our lacking is our goaltending depth. So we can make a play to get a goaltender somehow, bring back Stalock, and our team will be all set.

Our best trade assets are Wingels, Nieto, and Dillon. They're under control, affordable, and still pretty young. They can be used to get a goalie or get more picks so we can help repair and rebuild our prospect system that has been neglected for way too long.
- IDtheJC

I would like to keep Dillon. Nieto and Wingels could definitely bring a goalie or a solid defensmen back, give or take some draft picks.

We aren't in a position where we have to overpay for a goalie. We're not a goalie away from a stanley cup. Just take the focus off having to win NOW. Focus on building up our team next year, and then the year after we'll take our run. Keep that perspective, and it'll help put things into focus.
- IDtheJC

That's just it. I don't see it that way. We need to go out and acquire a goalie AND defenseman, not bring up someone internally given the lack of likelyhood our prospect pool becomes anything more than a 6th Dman. Forwards are a different story. We have some nice blue chip surprises in the pool.

I know Wilson is preaching "the window has closed" and all that nonsense, but I don't buy it. Wilson has consistently NOT done what he should as a GM to improve the team enough. No other GM in the NHL would allow a goalie like Niemi so many failures. Goalie is the most knee jerk replace position in Hockey. It was obvious within 2 playoffs with him that Niemi was not the guy. He should have been shipped and a replacement brought in long ago.

Instead, we got 40 playoff games from him and ZERO shutouts. Never stole a game in the postseason. EVER. Even the most inept GM in the league would have dumped Niemi and admitted his mistake, but Wilson's pride in having stolen him from Chicago insisted he keep him since he won a cup there on a vastly superior team that could protect him.

And that is just goaltending. Wilson consistently threw buttplugs like Wallin, Vandermeer, Huskins, White and Old man Hannan in instead of going out and getting reasonable options. And don't even get me started on the bottom 6. Wilson thinks of Bottom 6 guys and bottom pairing Dmen as disposable commodities that he can shuffle in and out.

The window is not closed. Thornton and Marleau are old yes. But Thornton is still playing as high level as he has been the past 4 years. if we say the window is closed now, then you might as well have said the window was closed 4 years ago. Marleau certainly slipped this season, but the thing is, it seemed a mental thing more than anything. I did not detect any breakdown of bodyparts or speed reduction(usually the first thing to go).

Pavelski and Couture are still in their primes. Vlasic is in his prime. Burns is in his prime. So effectively, he is saying the window is closed and they are not cup winning material even in their primes?

Leave Ramo alone

Hiller for a 2nd (we are collecting those)
- Saskabush

No Ramo is ours

Leave Ramo alone

Hiller for a 2nd (we are collecting those)
- Saskabush

Don't blame us bud. Ramo is the one who pretty much said testing UFA was tempting because it was his first time, and he raised his stock towards the end there.

That's just it. I don't see it that way. We need to go out and acquire a goalie AND defenseman, not bring up someone internally given the lack of likelyhood our prospect pool becomes anything more than a 6th Dman. Forwards are a different story. We have some nice blue chip surprises in the pool.

I know Wilson is preaching "the window has closed" and all that nonsense, but I don't buy it. Wilson has consistently NOT done what he should as a GM to improve the team enough. No other GM in the NHL would allow a goalie like Niemi so many failures. Goalie is the most knee jerk replace position in Hockey. It was obvious within 2 playoffs with him that Niemi was not the guy. He should have been shipped and a replacement brought in long ago.

Instead, we got 40 playoff games from him and ZERO shutouts. Never stole a game in the postseason. EVER. Even the most inept GM in the league would have dumped Niemi and admitted his mistake, but Wilson's pride in having stolen him from Chicago insisted he keep him since he won a cup there on a vastly superior team that could protect him.

And that is just goaltending. Wilson consistently threw buttplugs like Wallin, Vandermeer, Huskins, White and Old man Hannan in instead of going out and getting reasonable options. And don't even get me started on the bottom 6. Wilson thinks of Bottom 6 guys and bottom pairing Dmen as disposable commodities that he can shuffle in and out.

The window is not closed. Thornton and Marleau are old yes. But Thornton is still playing as high level as he has been the past 4 years. if we say the window is closed now, then you might as well have said the window was closed 4 years ago. Marleau certainly slipped this season, but the thing is, it seemed a mental thing more than anything. I did not detect any breakdown of bodyparts or speed reduction(usually the first thing to go).

Pavelski and Couture are still in their primes. Vlasic is in his prime. Burns is in his prime. So effectively, he is saying the window is closed and they are not cup winning material even in their primes?
- j0e Th0rnton

He didn't say the window is closed, he just said we don't need to overpay for a goalie....we're not going to be a cup contender next season, i truly believe were a couple years away from being a contender again. So why overpay for a goalie that's all. Just take a deep breath & calm down Jumbo.

21 wins, 9 losses and 4 OT/SO with a 2.21gaa and 92.6% and 5 Shutouts was a down year for him?

His start quality was a bit skewed this season since the bulk of his games played happened during Lundqvist's injury. King Henrik was out for almost all of February and March, during which time Talbot went 16-4-3 and Ranger fans were going crazy lol.

I dunno, he is pretty damn good. I understand others might be reluctant. I would pull the trigger personally. Talbot is 27 years old and almost ideal for us. Most rag fans now are resigned to the fact that he is going to command a starting position somewhere and he is going to be shipped.
- j0e Th0rnton

I still wouldn't give up a 2nd rder for him.

Don't blame us bud. Ramo is the one who pretty much said testing UFA was tempting because it was his first time, and he raised his stock towards the end there.
- j0e Th0rnton

Right the flames themselves said they'd rather go with Hiller/Ortio tandem than a Ramo/Ortio tandem.

That's just it. I don't see it that way. We need to go out and acquire a goalie AND defenseman, not bring up someone internally given the lack of likelyhood our prospect pool becomes anything more than a 6th Dman. Forwards are a different story. We have some nice blue chip surprises in the pool.

I know Wilson is preaching "the window has closed" and all that nonsense, but I don't buy it. Wilson has consistently NOT done what he should as a GM to improve the team enough. No other GM in the NHL would allow a goalie like Niemi so many failures. Goalie is the most knee jerk replace position in Hockey. It was obvious within 2 playoffs with him that Niemi was not the guy. He should have been shipped and a replacement brought in long ago.

Instead, we got 40 playoff games from him and ZERO shutouts. Never stole a game in the postseason. EVER. Even the most inept GM in the league would have dumped Niemi and admitted his mistake, but Wilson's pride in having stolen him from Chicago insisted he keep him since he won a cup there on a vastly superior team that could protect him.

And that is just goaltending. Wilson consistently threw buttplugs like Wallin, Vandermeer, Huskins, White and Old man Hannan in instead of going out and getting reasonable options. And don't even get me started on the bottom 6. Wilson thinks of Bottom 6 guys and bottom pairing Dmen as disposable commodities that he can shuffle in and out.

The window is not closed. Thornton and Marleau are old yes. But Thornton is still playing as high level as he has been the past 4 years. if we say the window is closed now, then you might as well have said the window was closed 4 years ago. Marleau certainly slipped this season, but the thing is, it seemed a mental thing more than anything. I did not detect any breakdown of bodyparts or speed reduction(usually the first thing to go).

Pavelski and Couture are still in their primes. Vlasic is in his prime. Burns is in his prime. So effectively, he is saying the window is closed and they are not cup winning material even in their primes?
- j0e Th0rnton

It's not closing a window. It's opening a new one that's the point I'm trying to make. Pavs, Couts, Burns, and Vlasic are still going to be rocks for this team in 2 years. There's a difference between signing an over the hill and perennial underperformer, and giving a young player a chance to crack the roster. Also, you're missing the point this season. All we're looking for is for a 6th defenseman. We already have our top 5 defensemen in place. Remember we also have Bergman coming into the professional ranks in 2 years. He will play in the OHL next year again. Plus, if we draft an NHL ready defenseman at #9 he will have a shot to crack the roster out of training camp.

Before you rip Niemi apart remember just 2 years ago he was runner up to the freaking Vezina. Then he had a down year. You have to FULLY anticipate that he's going to bounce back this season. he didn't and they're making a change. Shutouts don't mean anything to me in the playoffs. There aren't many shutouts in the playoffs anyways. There will continue to be less and less as the league comes up with new ways to increase scoring more and more.

The reason we don't have more prospects coming up and more development is because of the win now mentality Wilson used to employ. He traded SO MANY picks for garbage that he left our cupboards barren. He has seen the error of those ways, and he stopped doing that (for the most part Kennedy and McGinn are still head scratchers).

However, 2nd round picks for Dominic Moore, Ian White, etc...those are painful results for having a win NOW mentality. Shero trading 2 second round picks for Douglas Murray? Win NOW mentality. You should CONSTANTLY build towards the future, and if you continue that on a consistent basis you will get a good NHL team because of it. Like the Detroit Red Wings who transition from hall of famer to hall of famer and prospect to prospect because they constantly build for the future.