Kessel is >>> Nash when Nash was up for trade.

Look where each was in the NHL scoring sheet each year for the 5 years leading up to the trade.

and no, Nash is not a huge physical or defensive force.

I wouldn't even listen to the first offer and Galchenyuk is a center who apparently (according to the Habs thread) doesn't want to play center.

pass.
- Aetherial

or we let phil rack up 40 pts in 45ish games, and get a bounty. leafs probably would take back a bad contract, bu if de la rose is the centrepiece, bergevin gets laughed at.

or we let phil rack up 40 pts in 45ish games, and get a bounty. leafs probably would take back a bad contract, bu if de la rose is the centrepiece, bergevin gets laughed at.
- GardinerExpress

If I'm Bergevin I stay as far as possible of any Leafs players except JVR.

Captain Callahan practicing. I'd love to see the Lightning knock out the Rangers just for that.
- TheMussel

(frank) the Rangers.

If I'm Bergevin I stay as far as possible of any Leafs players except JVR.
- fidopro

JVR would be my target as well. Youngers, cheaper, fits what the Habs needs perfectly.

Doubt it will happen.

If I'm Bergevin I stay as far as possible of any Leafs players except JVR.
- fidopro

good. not like the leafs were one of the highest scoring teams under carlyle.
who would want any of those guys.

personally i'd rather not see anyone moved to the habs for picks/prospects
screw em!

For a minute I thought I clicked the habs thread,.

JVR would be my target as well. Youngers, cheaper, fits what the Habs needs perfectly.

Doubt it will happen.
- Scabeh

would probably cost more than kessel.
think galchenyuk+

good. not like the leafs were one of the highest scoring teams under carlyle.
who would want any of those guys.

personally i'd rather not see anyone moved to the habs for picks/prospects
screw em!
- GardinerExpress

Habs need some goal scorers for sure. I don't think it would ever happen that they can get Phil. They couldn't even come close. The 1st that would be included will be in the 20's for the next 4 drafts probable.

Habs need some goal scorers for sure. I don't think it would ever happen that they can get Phil. They couldn't even come close. The 1st that would be included will be in the 20's for the next 4 drafts probable.
- iTOLDu

It would take subtracting a significant piece of their core for sure.

It would take subtracting a significant piece of their core for sure.
- TheMussel

Galchenyuck and a 1st isn't even close.

Would you take a slight better version of Kadri and a 1st for Kessel. Hell no.

Habs need some goal scorers for sure. I don't think it would ever happen that they can get Phil. They couldn't even come close. The 1st that would be included will be in the 20's for the next 4 drafts probable.
- iTOLDu

they would have to pay more than a western team would, and de la rose + a late 20's aint even gonna be close.

if they didnt wanna include glachenyuk, it would have to be Gallagher + +

Galchenyuk is the least of my worries and giving him up would be Mdonaghesque mistake by the Habs.
- Scabeh

OK that's fine, but you aren't going to get a significant scoring upgrade by dealing Eller, Plek, DD, Markov, Emelin etc.

For a minute I thought I clicked the habs thread,.
- LeafMan

Almost the same thing.. Two bitter fan bases..

It would take subtracting a significant piece of their core for sure.
- TheMussel

IMO Habs need a center, I'd target O'Reilly if I were them...DD, Pleks and Eller are not exactly powerhouses up the middle.

Capitals

there goes my prediction for the final...

time to shave half of my beard..

Almost the same thing.. Two bitter fan bases..
- PatC80

It's like Statler and Waldorf.

If I'm Bergevin I stay as far as possible of any Leafs players except JVR.
- fidopro

I would review that list again.

IMO Habs need a center, I'd target O'Reilly if I were them...DD, Pleks and Eller are not exactly powerhouses up the middle.
- Lucas Neilson

we'll give 'em Bozak

Galchenyuck and a 1st isn't even close.

Would you take a slight better version of Kadri and a 1st for Kessel. Hell no.
- iTOLDu

He isn't yet a slightly better version of Kadri.
He MIGHT be, one day.

Every team wants to give up their spare parts for a serious upgrade somewhere. Trade proposals are equally ridiculous among every fan base.

I would review that list again.
- Aetherial

agreed. any fan of any team that wouldn't want a goal scorer like Kessel is just ignorant. Too bad we couldn't give Kessel a real #1C here in Toronto. Things would've been so much different, and imo, better.

He isn't yet a slightly better version of Kadri.
He MIGHT be, one day.

Every team wants to give up their spare parts for a serious upgrade somewhere. Trade proposals are equally ridiculous among every fan base.
- Aetherial

True, sorry, the potential. It's all about the potential

Marc Bergevin isn't a desperate man. Even if they don't win the cup during his tenure, I don't think he'd want to be the GM that didn't win the cup AND mortgaged the future.
- TheMussel

The thing about Kessel is that it doesn't matter how good he is ( Kessel >Nash therefore his return should be better)...there's only a select few teams that can afford him and the price in trade, and fewer yet that actually need to add a high end supplementary winger.

Arizona, Boston, , Calgary, Columbus, Calgary, Florida, Dallas, Habs, Nashville, islanders, Devils, Penguins, jets all need a quality game breaking scorer.....now take away the teams that can't afford the salary, have no cap space or are unwilling to part with young assets and picks....who's left?

True, sorry, the potential. It's all about the potential
- iTOLDu

That's another thing this fanbase is (frank)ing atrocious for: predicting players' ceilings

Nobody knows. Sure, there's educated guesses and whatnot, but anybody who claims a projection as fact is talking out their ass.

The one that I keep coming back to is Gauthier. He can only ever be a 4th line center because, well, because!

It's like Statler and Waldorf.
- LeafMan

Or Wedgie and Aetherial.

That's another thing this fanbase is (frank)ing atrocious for: predicting players' ceilings

Nobody knows. Sure, there's educated guesses and whatnot, but anybody who claims a projection as fact is talking out their ass.

The one that I keep coming back to is Gauthier. He can only ever be a 4th line center because, well, because!
- TheThrill

in leafs nation the ceilings all seem so high because the whole franchise is a sunken livingroom