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May 27 @ 4:09 PM ET
except 50M doesnt count against the cap, therefore is irrelevant, especially when you factor in its from the franchise that is worth over a billion dollars. - sensnucksnocups
That's the crappy part, we'll never be that bad. Good enough to fight for a playoff spot, or a 5 - 14 draft pick, but not in 1st overall conversation. - moondawg
It's crappy that we aren't crappy enough to be the crappiest? I'm not sure that I agree.
It is like giving up when you tank. Taking my gear and going home. Nothing to see here.
How long have the Oilers been tanking? Doesn't guarantee you get the picks or players you want. - hillbillydeluxe
And even if you do get the picks and players you want it still doesn't mean it's all going to come together. You're still relying on massive amounts of luck. Personally I would rather try to improve on mediocracy.
Cogliano, Gagner... or was that before they started tanking?
It just seems like they have been out of it for quite some time.
Just saying, tanking and getting high draft picks does not guarantee a Stanley cup. - hillbillydeluxe
True but it is very rare that it doesn't. CHI has Kane #1 and Toews #3. LA had several high drafts, TB has high drafts, etc etc etc. When a team goes years with only 20+ pick overall like us, you tend to be in a bad position.
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May 27 @ 4:54 PM ET
True but it is very rare that it doesn't. CHI has Kane #1 and Toews #3. LA had several high drafts, TB has high drafts, etc etc etc. When a team goes years with only 20+ pick overall like us, you tend to be in a bad position. - Retinalz
I think it is hit and miss, a lot has to do with other moves and players in the lineup.
These last few years there have been some great picks at the top of the draft but if you look at teams that have struggled and had high picks, like Columbus or Florida, you can't talk to them about it being rare- not working out.
So many factors and pressures, it is easy enough to screw it up.
I think it is hit and miss, a lot has to do with other moves and players in the lineup.
These last few years there have been some great picks at the top of the draft but if you look at teams that have struggled and had high picks, like Columbus or Florida, you can't talk to them about it being rare- not working out.
So many factors and pressures, it is easy enough to screw it up. - hillbillydeluxe
Florida had a big year with their young players and Ekblad will just get better, i can easily see playoffs next year for them. Columbus is a great team that had the wrong injuries this year.
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May 27 @ 5:08 PM ET
Florida had a big year with their young players and Ekblad will just get better, i can easily see playoffs next year for them. Columbus is a great team that had the wrong injuries this year. - Retinalz
Talking more historically..
For example with CBJ, they had a top 10 pick in every draft from 2000 to 2008... That is a lot of losing to get those picks and they still aren't near a cup.
Florida from 2001 to 2004 had 4 top 10 picks and still weren't very close to any sort of push for the cup.
For example with CBJ, they had a top 10 pick in every draft from 2000 to 2008... That is a lot of losing to get those picks and they still aren't near a cup.
Florida from 2001 to 2004 had 4 top 10 picks and still weren't very close to any sort of push for the cup.
No guarantees, just saying. - hillbillydeluxe
Yes, it has to be done right, and you need to acquire the right players. But how many teams have a stanley cup w/o at least 1 top 5 pick?
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May 27 @ 5:19 PM ET
Yes, it has to be done right, and you need to acquire the right players. But how many teams have a stanley cup w/o at least 1 top 5 pick? - Retinalz
Responding to your last posts, that was the most I have looked up anything when responding to a post on hb.
I have no idea how many teams have won, in say the last 20 years, without having one top 5 pick in their lineup.
But there are 29 other teams that are playing for the cup too and some of them have to have had a recent top 5 pick or two. And that just reinforces "it has to be done right".
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May 27 @ 5:32 PM ET
I tried to find one, Bruins had Horton, Devils had Stevens, Detroit in 08 had Stuart, in 02 had Yzerman.
Edit. Colorado in 2001, didn't have a top 5 pick when they won, which is surprising considering how stacked that team was. - belcherbd
Thank you.
I guess it just goes to show it is rare to win without one in you lineup.
Didn't realize Stuart has been around so long, avg 20 mins a game for his whole career except 2013-14 when it was 19:10 and he's been playing since 99-00.
I guess it just goes to show it is rare to win without one in you lineup.
Didn't realize Stuart has been around so long, avg 20 mins a game for his whole career except 2013-14 when it was 19:10 and he's been playing since 99-00. - hillbillydeluxe
Of course, as it was mentioned before, many teams have at least one on their roster and yet don't win....
True but it is very rare that it doesn't. CHI has Kane #1 and Toews #3. LA had several high drafts, TB has high drafts, etc etc etc. When a team goes years with only 20+ pick overall like us, you tend to be in a bad position. - Retinalz
Those teams weren't tanking, they were just bad and they were bad for a prolonged period.
As far as I understand it, the tanking philosophy goes like this: move assets for draft picks and be God awful for 3-4 years. Draft high. Preform some kind of mysterious alchemy, win a cup.
I can't think of any teams that have been successful following this path. I know that Oiler fans are giddy right now because they won the lottery (pure luck, by the way), but I'll wait to see how they do next year before proclaiming them a success.
Those teams weren't tanking, they were just bad and they were bad for a prolonged period.
As far as I understand it, the tanking philosophy goes like this: move assets for draft picks and be God awful for 3-4 years. Draft high. Preform some kind of mysterious alchemy, win a cup.
I can't think of any teams that have been successful following this path. I know that Oiler fans are giddy right now because they won the lottery (pure luck, by the way), but I'll wait to see how they do next year before proclaiming them a success. - CubanBuffet
I wouldn't say it was pure luck, they needed a healthy amount of sucking to get the odds they did.
He looks like a great talent, but unless we get him in the 2nd round I don't want him. We already have Shink and Baertshi. That's not a knock on Merkley, just his prospect type in full here. We clearly need a d man
I noticed your adjustment to my Hamhuis for Oshie and a 2nd.
I like Hamhuis, but Edler is day and night our best offensive d man. We are already weak enough back there. Moving Edler barring a jaw dropping return, would be a disaster
It's crappy that we aren't crappy enough to be the crappiest? I'm not sure that I agree. - CubanBuffet
Be careful what you ask for!! I'd love to have a couple top five picks but would absolutely hate hate hate to be in a position where you have five or six in a row.
Blues are an example of a good team with one top five pick, Pietrangelo, in their lineup. That I could handle.
Taking my gear and going home. Nothing to see here.
And that just reinforces "it has to be done right". 
