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DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

May 30 @ 5:51 PM ET
Nice comedic tone to today's comments thus far. In keeping with the Sbisa love-in, this is just a response to a comment (I believe by Vintage) on the last blog regarding Benning/Sbisa:

You are right in that the sky isn't falling. However, this was nonetheless not a good decision by Benning - and that now makes two (the Miller signing - and not only the signing but how the actual negotiations went -i.e. there were none -even Benning said it was the easiest negotiation he's had in a while - is this how a GM acts? perhaps you don't play hardball but all the leverage was with the Canucks, given Miller wanted to play on the coast. Then to give him a limited trade clause, was the pies de resistance.

The Sbisa signing could have easily waited - don't know too many teams that were lining up for his services (in fact, it was with glee that Anaheim got rid of him, if sources are correct). Frankly, I would have rather given Sanguienetti a shot over Sbisa. But now we are stuck.

Ok, and yes, I realize I'm beating a dead Sbisa here....

- Zogg


I think I wouldn't have minded the signing so much if we had more cap room and had traded one of Bieksa, Hamhuis or Edler and gotten an upgrade on the back end first. He's decent enough as a 6-7 D that can play physical, but he's definitely not Top-4 material.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 30 @ 6:04 PM ET
He any good, Stats aren't horrible for a 4th liner
- Retinalz


I thought he played well in the playoffs. At 23 i see him as a younger replacement for hansen or higgin on the 3rd in the future. Which we could offer sheets him for a 3rd this year and recoup a 2nd or 3rd for higgins and hansen
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 30 @ 6:11 PM ET
I think I wouldn't have minded the signing so much if we had more cap room and had traded one of Bieksa, Hamhuis or Edler and gotten an upgrade on the back end first. He's decent enough as a 6-7 D that can play physical, but he's definitely not Top-4 material.
- DariusKnight


With his contract now, he can't be moved. Let's pray.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

May 30 @ 6:23 PM ET
With his contract now, he can't be moved. Let's pray.
- manvanfan




Give JB some time, I think he will be moved at some point before his contract expires.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

May 30 @ 6:37 PM ET
With his contract now, he can't be moved. Let's pray.
- manvanfan


Nah, rather go with Scientology and hope that huge aliens come down from outer space and crush Sbisa underfoot and we can use his insurance money to get a better player.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

May 30 @ 6:41 PM ET
Nah, rather go with Scientology and hope that huge aliens come down from outer space and crush Sbisa underfoot and we can use his insurance money to get a better player.
- DariusKnight


nice thinking outside the box, I like it
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

May 30 @ 6:41 PM ET
Give JB some time, I think he will be moved at some point before his contract expires.
- hillbillydeluxe


I'd still keep praying nonetheless
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

May 30 @ 6:55 PM ET
I'd still keep praying nonetheless
- Zogg



Bring on the wine.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 30 @ 7:19 PM ET
Bring on the wine.
- hillbillydeluxe

Did someone mention alcohol?
Jim_Robson
Vancouver Canucks
Location: GillisDestroyedOurTeam, BC
Joined: 04.02.2014

May 30 @ 7:19 PM ET
With his contract now, he can't be moved. Let's pray.
- manvanfan


I'm holding out hope that JB has a sign and trade deal in place for Sbisa that he's waiting to announce until after the finals.



Trade Miller
Draft Provorov
F Sbisa
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

May 30 @ 7:19 PM ET
Bring on the wine.
- hillbillydeluxe


That's really good advice. Will do.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 30 @ 7:29 PM ET
Anyone know who the best skating offensive defenseman in the draft is beyond the 10th pick?
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 30 @ 7:31 PM ET
Can I inquire as to what the prevailing opinions are on Kassian, Higgins, and Matthias? Curious they would be cost for acquisition (or contract in Matthias' case).
- jfkst1



Higgins and Matthias need to go bye bye but Kassian needs another shot at a full healthy season...if possible.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 30 @ 7:31 PM ET
Can I inquire as to what the prevailing opinions are on Kassian, Higgins, and Matthias? Curious they would be cost for acquisition (or contract in Matthias' case).
- jfkst1



Higgins and Matthias need to go bye bye but Kassian needs another shot at a full healthy season...if possible.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

May 30 @ 7:43 PM ET
Higgins and Matthias need to go bye bye but Kassian needs another shot at a full healthy season...if possible.
- LordHumungous


yeah, I'd like to see him have another shot, I think he is starting to realize he isn't a rookie anymore, and is on a short leash.

But, for the right deal, I don't have any issue with just about anyone on the team being traded.

More change please.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

May 30 @ 8:07 PM ET
yeah, I'd like to see him have another shot, I think he is starting to realize he isn't a rookie anymore, and is on a short leash.

But, for the right deal, I don't have any issue with just about anyone on the team being traded.

More change please.

- hillbillydeluxe


No thank you, he's had more than enough time to establish himself and I'd rather have Virtanen or Grenier in his spot.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

May 30 @ 8:19 PM ET
No thank you, he's had more than enough time to establish himself and I'd rather have Virtanen or Grenier in his spot.
- DariusKnight




I won't argue that.

But I am not the ones calling the shots. I think Grenier has a better chance of making the jump to the NHL than Virtanen with WD's expressed preference in having more seasoned players in the lineup than 18 year olds or I would guess, players fresh from the chl.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 30 @ 8:21 PM ET
Did someone mention alcohol?
- LeftCoaster


No kidding, I think I was half dozen deep when I wrote that. Full dozen done now. Bring on game 7.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

May 30 @ 8:23 PM ET
No thank you, he's had more than enough time to establish himself and I'd rather have Virtanen or Grenier in his spot.
- DariusKnight


I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I'm sick of Kassian and his potential, but on the other, he has shown improvement this season, seemed more engaged and not just while playing with the Sedins. The point being, if we trade him now we'll never get back the same value that we paid.

Maybe the better way to look at it is that we wouldn't be giving him another chance, but increasing his trade value.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 30 @ 8:24 PM ET
I hate repeat winners
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 30 @ 8:26 PM ET
I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I'm sick of Kassian and his potential, but on the other, he has shown improvement this season, seemed more engaged and not just while playing with the Sedins. The point being, if we trade him now we'll never get back the same value that we paid.

Maybe the better way to look at it is that we wouldn't be giving him another chance, but increasing his trade value.

- CubanBuffet


Potential is there. I would love a right side of virtanen, Kassian, hansen, Dorsett.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

May 30 @ 8:29 PM ET
No thank you, he's had more than enough time to establish himself and I'd rather have Virtanen or Grenier in his spot.
- DariusKnight


You feel strongly that Virtanen and/or Grenier is a better fit currently than Kassian? Not sure i agree with that. When Kassian is on, he's a force - unfortunately we just don't see that 'force' as much as we should be. I hope he can get some consistency in his game, because he has pretty much all the skills you need for success (and is remarkably a very good play maker! - who woulda thunk?). Easily a top six forward once he manages to establish himself as a day to day professional
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 30 @ 8:33 PM ET
You well strongly that Virtanen and/or Grenier is a better fit currently than Kassian? Not sure i agree with that. When Kassian is on, he's a force - unfortunately we just don't see that 'force' as much as we should be. I hope he can get some consistency in his game, because he has pretty much all the skills you need for success (and is remarkably a very good play maker! - who woulda thunk?). Easily a top six forward once he manages to establish himself as a day to day professional
- Zogg

Put him in th minors.
Omg a perfect example of a player who should have spent time in the minors instead of "learning in the nhl"
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

May 30 @ 8:34 PM ET
I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I'm sick of Kassian and his potential, but on the other, he has shown improvement this season, seemed more engaged and not just while playing with the Sedins. The point being, if we trade him now we'll never get back the same value that we paid.

Maybe the better way to look at it is that we wouldn't be giving him another chance, but increasing his trade value.

- CubanBuffet


Fully agree with your first paragraph assessment. And yes of course there is the trade route but until Kassian fully establishes himself as a consistent player, then any sort of trade will be inequitable.

Moreso, I do not want to see him blossom as a star somewhere else because we ran out of patience. Like you said, I also felt he improved quite a bit last year - let's hope it's a sign of things to come . It's not that he deserves a second chance, it's that he deserves continued development which the Canucks should be on top of
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

May 30 @ 8:34 PM ET
You well strongly that Virtanen and/or Grenier is a better fit currently than Kassian? Not sure i agree with that. When Kassian is on, he's a force - unfortunately we just don't see that 'force' as much as we should be. I hope he can get some consistency in his game, because he has pretty much all the skills you need for success (and is remarkably a very good play maker! - who woulda thunk?). Easily a top six forward once he manages to establish himself as a day to day professional
- Zogg


I would like to see this, but not sure if it is a chicken or the egg argument? Put him there and he will prove himself or make him prove himself so you have to put him there?

We see glimpses, we want moarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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