In every way but the talent part. This team should be stockpiling themselves with that kind of player.
- buffalofan19

He has scored a poop ton of goals in the past.. Thing is , it's years in the past.

Idk
We got our "leaders" last year
Sharp is too inconsistent with the scoring now. And he's been a 3rd liner for them for most of the season
He's still decent, just not worth what I think we'd have to give up for him
And he's on the downswing. By the time we're competing for the Cup he prob won't even be here still anyways.
I guess I don't really see the point
- jdfitz77

It's not just about leadership. It's about putting out an NHL roster, getting to the cap floor, and not unnecessarily tying yourself down to the Matt Moulson's of the world.

Bylsma disagrees
He said on the radio the other day that you need a very good one, and u build from the goalie out
Then you need a good top 4
Then u need to be strong down the middle

Those were his words
I agree

This notion that teams win the Cuo with average goaltending is nonsense
You at least need a "good" goalie who is capable of going on a "great" run
That's not a guy like Neuvirth or Lindback, or any other goalie we're likely to get on the cheap
Ya, they looked good for small stretches. But I don't trust that sample size.
But for us to go anywhere,
We're gonna need better. Much better
- jdfitz77

1) This is why Bylsma is the coach and not the GM

2) You don't need a very good goalie to go on a great run. You need any goalie to go on a great run. What was the last top goalie to win the cup? It's been many years, and in that time you can name scores of average goalies that won it.

Young and fast wins cups

He has scored a poop ton of goals in the past.. Thing is , it's years in the past.
- cabin

I'm not expecting him to set the world on fire. I'm expecting him to be part of a competent roster that won't weigh me down when the players I'm banking on to be stars need to get paid like stars.

The numbers speak for themselves.

His even strength scoring put him with the likes of Chris Kelly and many other 3rd liners before his trade to TB. Travis Yost wrote a great article on how incredibly over rated he is. And his performance in the playoffs, which by the way isn't just underwhelming this season, proves it
- sbroads24

Well he never has been a "scorer"
I don't understand why u keep going back to that
If he's not "good"
Why'd the Rangers name him Captain?
And why'd Tampa sign him to this "overpriced" deal and put an "A" on his sweater?

He does other things besides score
Analitics can't measure everything a player does for a team
And like I stated earlier,
He leads Tampa in point during the Cup
I know that's a small sample size,
But u talk like he's useless
And that's just way off base

Well he never has been a "scorer"
I don't understand why u keep going back to that
If he's not "good"
Why'd the Rangers name him Captain?
And why'd Tampa sign him to this "overpriced" deal and put an "A" on his sweater?

He does other things besides score
Analitics can't measure everything a player does for a team
And like I stated earlier,
He leads Tampa in point during the Cup
I know that's a small sample size,
But u talk like he's useless
And that's just way off base
- jdfitz77

If he's not a "scorer", then paying him in excess of $5 million is a mistake, plain and simple. They're winning despite him.

1) This is why Bylsma is the coach and not the GM

2) You don't need a very good goalie to go on a great run. You need any goalie to go on a great run. What was the last top goalie to win the cup? It's been many years, and in that time you can name scores of average goalies that won it.

Young and fast wins cups
- Slump Buster

The goalies that did win it got big ass pay raises because of it. Before they won they were just like any goalie in the league.

It's not just about leadership. It's about putting out an NHL roster, getting to the cap floor, and not unnecessarily tying yourself down to the Matt Moulson's of the world.
- buffalofan19

If I could get rid of Matt Moulson and get Sharp I would but unfortunately we are stuck with Moulson for 4 more years unless they can buy him out the last year when he will be absolutely worthless in my opinion

It's not just about leadership. It's about putting out an NHL roster, getting to the cap floor, and not unnecessarily tying yourself down to the Matt Moulson's of the world.
- buffalofan19

We have plenty of leadership and we can add more cheap leadership if we need it. I think (perceived) leadership and getting to the cap floor are the worst arguments made for getting over-the-hill players. The floor never has been and never will be an issue.

If he's not a "scorer", then paying him in excess of $5 million is a mistake, plain and simple. They're winning despite him.
- buffalofan19

Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, players like Callahan are worth 5 mill that is the going rate and ROR will get 6.5 - 7 mill a year because that's the going rate for a young player like him.

The goalies that did win it got big ass pay raises because of it. Before they won they were just like any goalie in the league.
- cabin

You still looking at coming on the 3rd?

The goalies that did win it got big ass pay raises because of it. Before they won they were just like any goalie in the league.
- cabin

Exactly. There are 3 or 4 great goalies (none of whom have won a cup) and you can throw the next 20 in a hat. We can find one of those 20 and not have to pay them crazy jack.

If I could get rid of Matt Moulson and get Sharp I would but unfortunately we are stuck with Moulson for 4 more years unless they can buy him out the last year when he will be absolutely worthless in my opinion
- GilPerreault11

Moulson is a pure complimentary player. Once we get a little better at forward he'll slot in nicely on the second line next year and third line in a couple of year. Not my favorite signing but he isn't killing us.

We have plenty of leadership and we can add more cheap leadership if we need it. I think (perceived) leadership and getting to the cap floor are the worst arguments made for getting over-the-hill players. The floor never has been and never will be an issue.
- Slump Buster

You're right. They won't have a problem getting to the floor. However, getting to the floor with players full of shorter deals is the challenge. As we saw with Matt Moulson, it's easier said that done. I'm not hellbent on landing Sharp, but to say a player like of his skillset with that kind of deal doesn't fit is simply a poor grasp of money management.

You still looking at coming on the 3rd?
- HonkFortheGoose

Yes. Might cancel the PA trip earlier that week. Grand baby is due.

1) This is why Bylsma is the coach and not the GM

2) You don't need a very good goalie to go on a great run. You need any goalie to go on a great run. What was the last top goalie to win the cup? It's been many years, and in that time you can name scores of average goalies that won it.

Young and fast wins cups
- Slump Buster

Murray sounds like he agrees as well
He's said we are trading for a goalie AND drafting one high
Sounds like he values the position too

Quick and Rask are both very good
Even Crawford & Fleury are above average & make like 6mil a year

Feel free to list all the "average" goalies that win the Cup
They don't

Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, players like Callahan are worth 5 mill that is the going rate and ROR will get 6.5 - 7 mill a year because that's the going rate for a young player like him.
- SABRES 89

I agree that they are the going rate. I just really hope my team isn't the one to make the colossal mistake of giving it to them. At that rate, this team is better off without those kinds of players, hands down.

Yes. Might cancel the PA trip earlier that week. Grand baby is due.
- cabin

Ok. DD is saying that's the only day he could come too. Seems to think I can't handle him there. Guess we'll see.

If he's not a "scorer", then paying him in excess of $5 million is a mistake, plain and simple. They're winning despite him.
- buffalofan19

He's their leading scorer in the Cup
And you're prob right about him being overpaid
But he's still very good

He's their leading scorer in the Cup
And you're prob right about him being overpaid
But he's still very good
- jdfitz77

If Ryan Callahan ends up being their leading scorer when this series is over, it will mean they lost the series.

Ok. DD is saying that's the only day he could come too. Seems to think I can't handle him there. Guess we'll see.
- HonkFortheGoose

Should be fun

Moulson is a pure complimentary player. Once we get a little better at forward he'll slot in nicely on the second line next year and third line in a couple of year. Not my favorite signing but he isn't killing us.
- Slump Buster

I just didn't like him when we got hm from the NYI and did not want to him signed again last summer to help us get to the floor. When we project our lineup in the next few years he is a big black eye in our lineup when I see him in there but that's just me.

I agree that they are the going rate. I just really hope my team isn't the one to make the colossal mistake of giving it to them. At that rate, this team is better off without those kinds of players, hands down.
- buffalofan19

Well Callahan is in the cup finals as is Saad another player who isn't worth 6 mill a year but will get it so, we do need players like that.

I just didn't like him when we got hm from the NYI and did not want to him signed again last summer to help us get to the floor. When we project our lineup in the next few years he is a big black eye in our lineup when I see him in there but that's just me.
- GilPerreault11

Yes you will see him here

Well Callahan is in the cup finals as is Saad another player who isn't worth 6 mill a year but will get it so, we do need players like that.
- SABRES 89

Tampa can easily make the Finals without him. He's the furthest thing from a necessary piece.