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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: Ramp-up to the 2015 NHL Draft Pt. 1--Goaltending Prospects in the system
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SABRES 89
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Jun 10 @ 10:50 PM ET
Quick is good I don't consider him elite
- SabresFaninIndiana

I would say opinions vary on that, the King is elite and should be on his 20th round of golf by now.
jdfitz77
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Jun 10 @ 10:50 PM ET
Quick and rask had great seasons but to say they are elite I think is wrong. They are good and possibly better than most but to say they are great I don't know.
- SabresFaninIndiana



All the argumentative stuff aside,
All these guys u named were well paid goalies when they won the Cup, or were signed to big deals right after b their team valued them so much

5-6mil is the going rate for a good goalie now

Spending 2-3mil on a starter generally doesn't get u anywhere
cabin
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Jun 10 @ 10:50 PM ET
Disagree.

89, just can't make this sh!t up anymore with the twin brothers sbroads and buff19!

- Irish 14



SabresFaninIndiana
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Jun 10 @ 10:51 PM ET
Callahan is in the cup finals, the Sabres aren't.
- SABRES 89

Kristers Gudļevskis is also in the cup finals
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 10 @ 10:51 PM ET
I would say opinions vary on that, the King is elite and should be on his 20th round of golf by now.
- SABRES 89

Him and Miller have their own course.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:52 PM ET
And I highly doubt other GM'S are lined up to hand us young stars

You either fill the roster out with vets or UFA'S
Or
You pay out the ass for "24 and under stars"

- sbroads24



Isn't that why we acquired all these assets though?
We won't have room on the ice for most of them
I'm ok with overpaying,
As long as it's the RIGHT player
buffalofan19
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Jun 10 @ 10:52 PM ET
Kristers Gudļevskis is also in the cup finals
- SabresFaninIndiana



It's because the former coach of this franchise coached him in the Olympics.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
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Jun 10 @ 10:53 PM ET
All the argumentative stuff aside,
All these guys u named were well paid goalies when they won the Cup, or were signed to big deals right after b their team valued them so much

5-6mil is the going rate for a good goalie now

Spending 2-3mil on a starter generally doesn't get u anywhere

- jdfitz77

I agree the degree of quality is variable but typically you need more than a 1 mil goalie. I will not argue that. I just don't know if we need to start with a 6 mil goalie... In fact I will say I don't want us to start with that
Slump Buster
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Jun 10 @ 10:53 PM ET
All the argumentative stuff aside,
All these guys u named were well paid goalies when they won the Cup, or were signed to big deals right after b their team valued them so much

5-6mil is the going rate for a good goalie now

Spending 2-3mil on a starter generally doesn't get u anywhere

- jdfitz77


Few of those guys got paid before winning a cup. Few won after getting paid. I'd be willing to venture that most of them were making 2-3 mill when they won the cup.
cabin
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Jun 10 @ 10:54 PM ET
Holtby, Bishop, Elliott, Price, etc
That's just what u have to pay now

- jdfitz77

Lets see if they are worth it .
sbroads24
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Jun 10 @ 10:54 PM ET
Isn't that why we acquired all these assets though?
We won't have room on the ice for most of them
I'm ok with overpaying,
As long as it's the RIGHT player

- jdfitz77

I don't think we have all these assets to simply under value them and just had them away.

Yes, the right player by all means go for it, but we also don't have to only get young star players, it's not how the world works. Evander Kane trade was a perfect storm. Chances of that happening with ANOTHER young star this offseason is very slim. Unless it's and offer sheet
Slump Buster
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Jun 10 @ 10:55 PM ET
Isn't that why we acquired all these assets though?
We won't have room on the ice for most of them
I'm ok with overpaying,
As long as it's the RIGHT player

- jdfitz77


So who is this goalie that you'd acquire? Nobody disagrees that you want the "right" player. Seeing as few goalies are repeat winners it seems as though we are all speculating on the next guy. All the more reason not to wager too much on the bet. For all we know guys like Bernier, Talbot, Neuvirth could be good enough as it is all just speculation.
cabin
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Jun 10 @ 10:56 PM ET
Holtby would be a goalie I think would be worth a shot. Young... made 2m last season.

Just the problem of getting him. RFA and the caps have no other goalie.
Slump Buster
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Jun 10 @ 10:57 PM ET
Holtby would be a goalie I think would be worth a shot. Young... made 2m last season.

Just the problem of getting him. RFA and the caps have no other goalie.

- cabin


Could you really say that Holtby is worth 2 mill a year more than someone like Elliott or Anderson?
SabresFaninIndiana
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Jun 10 @ 10:58 PM ET
Few of those guys got paid before winning a cup. Few won after getting paid. I'd be willing to venture that most of them were making 2-3 mill when they won the cup.
- Slump Buster

La quick for both

Chicago Niemi then Crawford

Other than them who has repeated?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 10 @ 10:59 PM ET
I don't think we have all these assets to simply under value them and just had them away.

Yes, the right player by all means go for it, but we also don't have to only get young star players, it's not how the world works. Evander Kane trade was a perfect storm. Chances of that happening with ANOTHER young star this offseason is very slim. Unless it's and offer sheet

- sbroads24



You're probably right. Those trades don't happen often, so I'm not expecting it.
Getting guys like sharp doesn't make sense to me though either.
Isn't trading assets for older players that won't be here when we're ready to compete handing those assets away as well?
SABRES 89
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Jun 10 @ 10:59 PM ET
Kristers Gudļevskis is also in the cup finals
- SabresFaninIndiana

And nobody on the Sabres is
SABRES 89
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Jun 10 @ 11:00 PM ET
All the argumentative stuff aside,
All these guys u named were well paid goalies when they won the Cup, or were signed to big deals right after b their team valued them so much

5-6mil is the going rate for a good goalie now

Spending 2-3mil on a starter generally doesn't get u anywhere

- jdfitz77

You don't need to pay 5-6 mill a yr for a starting goalie
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jun 10 @ 11:00 PM ET
I don't think we have all these assets to simply under value them and just had them away.

Yes, the right player by all means go for it, but we also don't have to only get young star players, it's not how the world works. Evander Kane trade was a perfect storm. Chances of that happening with ANOTHER young star this offseason is very slim. Unless it's and offer sheet

- sbroads24


The Sabres aren't going to offer sheet anyone this summer, if they do I will begin to believe Murray is an idiot.

The Oilers are far more advanced than the Sabres are in top end talent. They have had enough top #1 picks so they can try for Dougie Hamilton and try to get the Dman they desperately need. The Sabres aren't there yet.
SabresFaninIndiana
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Jun 10 @ 11:00 PM ET
Could you really say that Holtby is worth 2 mill a year more than someone like Elliott or Anderson?
- Slump Buster

I would rather take darling and some cap relieving player from Chicago for something. He is a goalie I would be interested in.
cabin
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Jun 10 @ 11:00 PM ET
I agree the degree of quality is variable but typically you need more than a 1 mil goalie. I will not argue that. I just don't know if we need to start with a 6 mil goalie... In fact I will say I don't want us to start with that
- SabresFaninIndiana

Roloson got edmonton to the cup finals .

How was he rated as a Sabre ?

Slump Buster
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Jun 10 @ 11:01 PM ET
La quick for both

Chicago Niemi then Crawford

Other than them who has repeated?

- SabresFaninIndiana


Quick made 1.7 during his first win. Niemi barely made the team the year he won and was let go after the season. More proof that these guys can be found anywhere.


SabresFaninIndiana
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Jun 10 @ 11:02 PM ET
Roloson got edmonton to the cup finals .

How was he rated as a Sabre ?

- cabin

So high we exposed him in the expansion draft
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
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Jun 10 @ 11:04 PM ET
Quick made 1.7 during his first win. Niemi barely made the team the year he won and was let go after the season. More proof that these guys can be found anywhere.
- Slump Buster



Thank you.
I would rather spend the money up front and make the goalie job easier. Thats pretty much what those teams did.
SabresFaninIndiana
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Jun 10 @ 11:05 PM ET
And nobody on the Sabres is
- SABRES 89

Nope. And it will be a few seasons before we have shot at it. Therefore I am not worried about goaltending. Hell buffalo has never had a prolonged issue with it. Let it play out
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