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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: Ramp-up to the 2015 NHL Draft Pt. 1--Goaltending Prospects in the system
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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
1. roy if he is there
2. meier if he is there
3. the pick I think they make DeBrusk

- homiedclown


Reminds me of Armia coming into the draft. Meh.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
I think it would be a mistake to give up on him too early. moving him bc you have plugs like Gionta in your Top 9 isnt sound GM work in my mind.

Gio and Moulson are guys you could look at moving, dont give up on 21 year old Centers bc you "dont have a spot for him"

- DDM-Coga



I believe both have NTC... puts a damper on things a little bit.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
When Reinhart gets 50 points with the Sabres next season, I am going to be a total d!ck on here

just giving everyone a heads up, it's coming

- homiedclown


I'll embrace the Richardery.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 11 @ 2:40 PM ET
Reminds me of Armia coming into the draft. Meh.
- TheSabresTaco

way more physical and is Canadian

Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 11 @ 2:40 PM ET
I think it would be a mistake to give up on him too early. moving him bc you have plugs like Gionta in your Top 9 isnt sound GM work in my mind.

Gio and Moulson are guys you could look at moving, dont give up on 21 year old Centers bc you "dont have a spot for him"

- DDM-Coga



Most coaches would choose to play gionta over grigs anyways. If your coach isn't going to play him and he can't be sent down your not left with many options.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
Yeah I dunno, there's so many ways of looking at the issue. We have Eichel*, Reinhart and Girgensons running the top 3 center spots for the next decade. If Grigorenko can't play wing, he really has no use to us. He won't be a defensivel specialist at the NHL level, that's for sure.

I really hope Murray gives him an opportunity to grow next year with a full NHL season. We saw him put in the work last season and I think, based on hearing a lot of various sources, his attitude has really adjusted in the positive direction. He's incredibly skilled but I think his foot speed needs to increase and likely his strength at well. He seems like one of those players that might explode when he's like 24-25. If he does end up getting traded, I really hope it's for a quality young player and not some random pick or AHL level talents.

- TheSabresTaco



Let's assume that Murray can't make a trade for a top 6 winger, who would you rather try there Hodgson or Grigorenko?

I would rather play Grigo there as he has proven he can play center effectively and may be able to swap in for Reinhart on his strong side.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
way more physical and is Canadian
- homiedclown



pretty sure meier is swiss, unless you thought he meant debrusk
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
perfect world, moulson or gionta drops to the third line, where they both should be and gringo gets time on the second line with reinhart and ennis

player x needs to be found for the top line to go with eichel and kane (Eberle)
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
Yeah I dunno, there's so many ways of looking at the issue. We have Eichel*, Reinhart and Girgensons running the top 3 center spots for the next decade. If Grigorenko can't play wing, he really has no use to us. He won't be a defensivel specialist at the NHL level, that's for sure.

I really hope Murray gives him an opportunity to grow next year with a full NHL season. We saw him put in the work last season and I think, based on hearing a lot of various sources, his attitude has really adjusted in the positive direction. He's incredibly skilled but I think his foot speed needs to increase and likely his strength at well. He seems like one of those players that might explode when he's like 24-25. If he does end up getting traded, I really hope it's for a quality young player and not some random pick or AHL level talents.

- TheSabresTaco


Its an impressive 3 down the middle for the future going forward, but you just never know how exactly are they going to pan out in a season or 2. I never feel comfortable putting all your eggs in one basket approach when it comes to positional depth. If I was as a Sabres fan, I would still want him in the Top 9 long term. At least to the point his value increases more.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 11 @ 2:42 PM ET
John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl 12m12 minutes ago
Sabres GM Tim Murray tells @pham1717 a buyout is possibility on Cody Hodgson but adds center is in Sweden doing needed work on his skating.

Ville Leino was also "a high possibility"

Murray won't come out and say it, but my gut tells me 75% BO for Cody based on that.

- TheSabresTaco



I threw up in my mouth.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
pretty sure meier is swiss, unless you thought he meant debrusk
- Sabresfan-365

(frank) me

saw he was playing for Halifax and assumed


DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
I believe both have NTC... puts a damper on things a little bit.
- thatsapickle


Gio does, Moulson does not
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 11 @ 2:44 PM ET
When Reinhart gets 50 points with the Sabres next season, I am going to be a total d!ck on here

just giving everyone a heads up, it's coming

- homiedclown


Not all of us feel like he's going to do poorly. I've maintained all along that whether or not he starts in Buffalo or Rochester is going to depend on how he looks in development camp and training camp. Based on how he looked in Rochester to finish the year, it appears they're planning on slotting him in on the Buffalo roster, but if he has a poor camp for whatever reason, that could change.

That said, he most likely will start the season in Buffalo.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 11 @ 2:45 PM ET
Gio does, Moulson does not
- DDM-Coga


Moulson has a NMC. It was part of why he signed here.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 11 @ 2:45 PM ET
perfect world, moulson or gionta drops to the third line, where they both should be and gringo gets time on the second line with reinhart and ennis

player x needs to be found for the top line to go with eichel and kane (Eberle)

- homiedclown



That potential would be pretty awesome, assuming it works out.

Kane - Eichel - Player X
Grigo - Reinhart - Ennis
Moulson - Girgensons - Gionta
Foligno - McCormick/Larrson - Deslauriers

you can always flip Ennis and Grigo.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 11 @ 2:46 PM ET
Not all of us feel like he's going to do poorly. I've maintained all along that whether or not he starts in Buffalo or Rochester is going to depend on how he looks in development camp and training camp. Based on how he looked in Rochester to finish the year, it appears they're planning on slotting him in on the Buffalo roster, but if he has a poor camp for whatever reason, that could change.

That said, he most likely will start the season in Buffalo.

- HonkFortheGoose



I think with training in Buffalo with Girgensons will help him be better prepared.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
Moulson has a NMC. It was part of why he signed here.
- HonkFortheGoose


Couldnt figure out what the symbols mean on GeneralFanager....He has a Modified NTC. Thought that was a money sign bonus symbol
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
poor Garth
- DDM-Coga


Hes being traded to ColoRORo............





(Feel shame)
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
That potential would be pretty awesome, assuming it works out.

Kane - Eichel - Player X
Grigo - Reinhart - Ennis
Moulson - Girgensons - Gionta
Foligno - McCormick/Larrson - Deslauriers

you can always flip Ennis and Grigo.

- thatsapickle


Oshie? I think he has low value right now and Blues might desperate to mix things up
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 11 @ 2:50 PM ET
Couldnt figure out what the symbols mean on GeneralFanager....He has a Modified NTC. Thought that was a money sign bonus symbol
- DDM-Coga


It's easier to go to the actual player page on there to see what was included with the contract.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 11 @ 2:51 PM ET
I think with training in Buffalo with Girgensons will help him be better prepared.
- thatsapickle


I saw someone mentioned he's training here, but didn't see it's with Girgensons. That has to be good, right?
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 11 @ 2:51 PM ET
Oshie? I think he has low value right now and Blues might desperate to mix things up
- DDM-Coga


I think Oshie would be a good fit here.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
I think Oshie would be a good fit here.
- ImThatGuy



Pass.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
I think Oshie would be a good fit here.
- ImThatGuy


I think his issue is that he is looked at one of the major offensive catalyst on the blues, to me hes a really good complementary player. Putting him with a Kane and Eichel would be well suited to his game since, he wouldnt have to do the heavy lifting on the line.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
I think Oshie would be a good fit here.
- ImThatGuy


I don't hate Oshie, but do you really think he's a top line player?
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