MEBSabresFAN
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Location: Lancaster, NY Joined: 07.17.2006
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Happy Fathers Day to all you Buzzers who are also pops. - Der Kaiser
Thank you Kaiser!
FOUR of my BEST swimmers scored a goal on their FIRST Shift! |
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Slump Buster
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Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY Joined: 10.24.2006
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the next 17 days will determine how quick the sabres turn it around - homiedclown
I go back and forth thinking that TM will do something dramatic or he'll stay the course. I wonder if he even knows as a lot of it depends on finding other teams to trade with. |
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SuperCat
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Location: Buffalo , NY Joined: 11.20.2006
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You'd give up the 21st overall pick in this year's very very deep draft for Skinner? An often injured LW? You do realize we have Kane, Moulson, Foligno and Deslauriers at the left wing position right?
The only thing we should be eyeing from Carolina is that 5th overall pick. Tell them we are willing to take whatever bad contract that they want to give us plus we give them 21st, 31st, Grigorenko and a 3rd next season.
You also want to give up a 1st rounder for Brown who had 27 points total for each this season and last season? Not to mention that absolute horrible contract that he has. Guy will be making $7 million the next two seasons.
Talbot is being overrated. You guys just look at his numbers and say wow this guys great. But seriously he just went on a hot streak and don't forget he played backup for the President's Trophy winning Rangers. I remember another goalie who was the backup for a President's Trophy winning team that everyone overrated and we have him in our organization. Chad Johnson.
Martin Jones? Seriously? Why not just bring back Bob Essensa? Probably just as good as Jones. Look at the guys numbers he hasn't shown anything yet and you want to bring him in .
Beauchemin would be a good vet to add.
For goalies anything short of Vasilevsky, Gibson, Subban or Saros would be a disappointment.
We need RW and a good guy to go after would be TJ Oshie. From what I have heard he is on the block. He knows Bylsma and that's instantly a plus. - Jammerz04
I think your assessments are off here...
First off, Eichel & Reinhart are right-handed centermen, their LW will be their primary forehand look, so LW is very important here.
2ndly, Skinner would easily be a top 6 winger for this club, he's a poor-man's Pat Kane. Skinner is 23 yrs old & has already multiple 30 goal seasons under his belt (remember that this kid is Marcus Foligno's age). Skinner (the same age as Evander Kane as well) has more NHL career goals than E. Kane, in less NHL games... so it's not hard to make the argument that Skinner would/should/could immediately be the #1 LW on this depth chart.
3rd, with Eichel & Reinhart about to be rookies, I think you're looking at a situation where this team is going to be "rolling 3 lines" for a while. So it's going to be important to have a quality scoring winger for Girgenson's line as well... That line is going log a ton of ice time.
And lastly, it's not an impossible task to ask a winger to switch sides. To dismiss Skinner because he's played LW primarily, would be foolish. This kid could easily jump onto RW on this top line (just as you saw a Buffalo line of Moulson/Girgensons/Ennis flourish, all would-be LW'ers). In fact, Skinner shoots lefty, and he would be in better position for one-timers if he were to be moved to RW.
Kane/Eichel/Skinner
Ennis/Reinhart/Gionta
Moulson/Girgensons/Foligno
(note: Martin Jones was a stud in juniors and the AHL as well. He's as good of a prospect as any out there. And he's big, which we all know TM likes.) |
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TheSabresTaco
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Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY Joined: 05.05.2011
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The reason they are trading Sharp is because they need to clear cap space, they and other GM's are paranoid the cap will actually be $69M and not $71M, and they have a younger, better player they will sign to take his place in Saad.
There is nothing wrong with getting Sharp for a 2nd and JT Compher if the goal is to try and get the team to the playoffs in 2015-2016.
Having Girgensons should never stop the team from trying to get another player of his ability who may be better overall.
You could be right about Gorges not waving, but it is not a vast overpayment when the only roster players going Colorado's way are Grigorenko and Gorges. You need to add picks to be able to make that deal work, and the 31st pick this year, a 2nd next year, and a 2017 1st contingent on O'Reilly resigning (you could lottery protect the pick as well) is fair for both sides. I would guess Colorado fans would tell you no thanks and that it wouldn't be enough.
On your point about him making $7M per down the road when the young guys need a contract, at that time Moulson and Gionta will both be gone as will their total $9M in salary, and they will be replaced by the Reinhart, Baptiste, Carrier, Fasching, & Bailey types.
I think Williams would come if he saw the two trades I mentioned plus the signings of both Beauchemin and Oduya. No thanks to Okposo coming off that eye injury and Oshie who appears to be a one trick pony.
I signed Oduya and Beauchemin due to trading away Gorges. I think the defense below would be strong for Buffalo and it's a mix of LH and RH D men.
Beauchemin Ristolainen
Oduya Bogosian
Zadorov Pysyk
Weber (Ruhwedel) - kingcong39
They clearly are not trying to make the playoffs next season. It was spelled out very clearly during Bylsma's presser. |
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TheSabresTaco
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Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY Joined: 05.05.2011
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With Eichel, Reinhart, Girgensons, and Larsson, how is Compher anything more than an ancillary piece to the team's future at this point?
Also, I didn't say Buffalo should. I made that roster in an if the team was going to try for a playoff spot this season scenario. - kingcong39
He absolutely can be used as a trade asset. Just not for a strictly short term gain like Sharp. "Gain" |
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TheSabresTaco
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Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY Joined: 05.05.2011
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I want him or Konecny. Or one of the defensemen if they fall which I doubt - sbroads24
Really high on Jeremy Roy. If a quality winger falls, maybe we can snag a D with 31. |
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sbroads24
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Really high on Jeremy Roy. If a quality winger falls, maybe we can snag a D with 31. - TheSabresTaco
I'm hoping.
Kylington or Roy could fall |
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SuperCat
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Location: Buffalo , NY Joined: 11.20.2006
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Maybe just sign UFA's Enroth & Nuiverth, both to 2yr deals... see if one emerges as a long-term solution?
At least we wouldn't have to burn any assets to acquire a keeper, like we would via trade...
Might TM consider packaging #21 & #31 to move-up to around the #10/#11 spot to try and land Eichel a future running mate? |
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Cup Crazy '07
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Location: Rochester, NY Joined: 11.29.2006
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Maybe just sign UFA's Enroth & Nuiverth, both to 2yr deals... see if one emerges as a long-term solution?
At least we wouldn't have to burn any assets to acquire a keeper, like we would via trade...
Might TM consider packaging #21 & #31 to move-up to around the #10/#11 spot to try and land Eichel a future running mate? - SuperCat
I would love that, but do you think a team would move out of that spot even though they'd be getting the extra pick? |
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Jammerz04
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Location: K, BC Joined: 01.03.2014
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The reason they are trading Sharp is because they need to clear cap space, they and other GM's are paranoid the cap will actually be $69M and not $71M, and they have a younger, better player they will sign to take his place in Saad.
There is nothing wrong with getting Sharp for a 2nd and JT Compher if the goal is to try and get the team to the playoffs in 2015-2016.
Having Girgensons should never stop the team from trying to get another player of his ability who may be better overall.
You could be right about Gorges not waving, but it is not a vast overpayment when the only roster players going Colorado's way are Grigorenko and Gorges. You need to add picks to be able to make that deal work, and the 31st pick this year, a 2nd next year, and a 2017 1st contingent on O'Reilly resigning (you could lottery protect the pick as well) is fair for both sides. I would guess Colorado fans would tell you no thanks and that it wouldn't be enough.
On your point about him making $7M per down the road when the young guys need a contract, at that time Moulson and Gionta will both be gone as will their total $9M in salary, and they will be replaced by the Reinhart, Baptiste, Carrier, Fasching, & Bailey types.
I think Williams would come if he saw the two trades I mentioned plus the signings of both Beauchemin and Oduya. No thanks to Okposo coming off that eye injury and Oshie who appears to be a one trick pony.
I signed Oduya and Beauchemin due to trading away Gorges. I think the defense below would be strong for Buffalo and it's a mix of LH and RH D men.
Beauchemin Ristolainen
Oduya Bogosian
Zadorov Pysyk
Weber (Ruhwedel) - kingcong39
Contract isn't the only reason they are getting rid of Sharp bud. They are getting rid of him because of his production and his age. So yes there is a whole lot wrong in giving up a guy like Compher and a 2nd in an unbelievably loaded draft for a player in his twilight years. Like I said I'd find it hard to give up a 3rd in this years draft for him. Also if you follow Tim Murray's interviews Sharp isn't the type of player he wants in this organization. If he's trading our good prospects and picks it will be for guys in their early 20's not in their early 30's.
$7 mill for a forward who averages what 50 points a year (I'm being generous)? It doesn't matter if Gionta and Moulson are coming off the books that's a whole lot of contract for a two way player. He's not like Toews where he plays both offense and defense great. He plays great defense and chips in now and again on offense. So yes that is a vast over payment for ROR. ROR isn`t better than Girgensons. Girgs just had a better 2nd season than ROR did. Girgensons is gonna be better than ROR hands down.
Williams isn't signing in Buffalo. End of story.
Oshie one trick pony? What about Sharp? He's a no trick pony without Toews, Kane, Hossa and Keith. |
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Jammerz04
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Location: K, BC Joined: 01.03.2014
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There is no way we should be giving up valuable assets for a short-term gain. Compher should never go in this kind of trade. - Slump Buster
Exactly. And to be honest Sharp isn't much of a gain either |
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Jammerz04
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Location: K, BC Joined: 01.03.2014
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I think your assessments are off here...
First off, Eichel & Reinhart are right-handed centermen, their LW will be their primary forehand look, so LW is very important here.
2ndly, Skinner would easily be a top 6 winger for this club, he's a poor-man's Pat Kane. Skinner is 23 yrs old & has already multiple 30 goal seasons under his belt (remember that this kid is Marcus Foligno's age). Skinner (the same age as Evander Kane as well) has more NHL career goals than E. Kane, in less NHL games... so it's not hard to make the argument that Skinner would/should/could immediately be the #1 LW on this depth chart.
3rd, with Eichel & Reinhart about to be rookies, I think you're looking at a situation where this team is going to be "rolling 3 lines" for a while. So it's going to be important to have a quality scoring winger for Girgenson's line as well... That line is going log a ton of ice time.
And lastly, it's not an impossible task to ask a winger to switch sides. To dismiss Skinner because he's played LW primarily, would be foolish. This kid could easily jump onto RW on this top line (just as you saw a Buffalo line of Moulson/Girgensons/Ennis flourish, all would-be LW'ers). In fact, Skinner shoots lefty, and he would be in better position for one-timers if he were to be moved to RW.
Kane/Eichel/Skinner
Ennis/Reinhart/Gionta
Moulson/Girgensons/Foligno
(note: Martin Jones was a stud in juniors and the AHL as well. He's as good of a prospect as any out there. And he's big, which we all know TM likes.) - SuperCat
First off who the hell cares what hand Eichel and Reinhart are?
Secondly sure Skinner will be a 2nd liner on our team but we don't need a friggin LW. He's also has a lot of friggin concussions.
Thirdly if the Sabres want to roll three lines they won't be paying $6 mill for a guy to play on the third line. You forget about Moulson? No one is gonna take his contract which also includes a LNTC.
Lastly why would GMTM even think about bringing in Skinner in hopes he can switch sides? Lol. There are no guarantees he will do any good on that side. That's not something a smart GM would do. Switching players from their natural position is a daunting task.
Also who gives a poop if Jones was a stud in the AHL and junior. He has shown nothing thus. Remember a guy named Jakub Markstrom? Beast in the AHL yet has accomplished zero in the NHL. |
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