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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: Buffalo Sabres 2015 Draft Preview--Dilemna in goal heading into the draft?
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JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 2:51 PM ET
I'm perfectly happy. So long as we don't trade Reinhart.
- HonkFortheGoose


I just have a hunch that Foligno might get traded. Hasn't really played that great since the beginning part of the season a few years ago before the shoulder injury. They can't find a way to get him comfortable at center or wing and we have power forwards such as Fasching, Bailey, and Baptiste coming up in the next year. Not to mention Kane on top line with Girgensons and Larsson on the 3rd line too.
BigStew
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.09.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:54 PM ET
Lack and Miller split 45 and 41 this year... Miller went like 29-15 and Lack went 18-13 but Lack had a better GAA and a better S%
- JVince11


Doesn't chang the fact that you can do just as good in FA than trading for him, IMO.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:55 PM ET
I just have a hunch that Foligno might get traded. Hasn't really played that great since the beginning part of the season a few years ago before the shoulder injury. They can't find a way to get him comfortable at center or wing and we have power forwards such as Fasching, Bailey, and Baptiste coming up in the next year. Not to mention Kane on top line with Girgensons and Larsson on the 3rd line too.
- JVince11


He won't be traded. His reputation on this team is better than his value to the rest of the team.
Irish 14
Location: South Buffalo
Joined: 01.25.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:55 PM ET
Agree Vince, might see a trade from no where? Foligno might need to be packaged in a deal to bring that top 6 forward (that might not be ROR)
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:56 PM ET
Doesn't chang the fact that you can do just as good in FA that trading for him, IMO.
- BigStew



Who is available at 51 that projects better than Lack's ceiling?

Honest question.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:56 PM ET
It sounds like it will be to buy him out or trade him with a 3rd or 4th and retain half of his salary and take back another iffy contract.
- JVince11


I don't think they will retain any salary (unless it is equal or less than the buyout cap hit).

I heard they got offers for a 3rd round pick, sounds really low, but I see them taking it if they are going to buy him out
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:56 PM ET
Agree Vince, might see a trade from no where? Foligno might need to be packaged in a deal to bring that top 6 forward!
- Irish 14



Could be to make room for Winnik or Beleskey.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:57 PM ET
Doesn't chang the fact that you can do just as good in FA than trading for him, IMO.
- BigStew



Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:57 PM ET
I just have a hunch that Foligno might get traded. Hasn't really played that great since the beginning part of the season a few years ago before the shoulder injury. They can't find a way to get him comfortable at center or wing and we have power forwards such as Fasching, Bailey, and Baptiste coming up in the next year. Not to mention Kane on top line with Girgensons and Larsson on the 3rd line too.
- JVince11


I too thought Folingo would be traded, I know Murray said something near trade deadline about not trading him, but as a building piece as something you say to try to increase value. I hope it works.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 2:57 PM ET
Doesn't chang the fact that you can do just as good in FA that trading for him, IMO.
- BigStew


When everyone was drooling all over Jonathon Bernier in backing up Quick on a championship contending team his numbers were....

9-3-1 1.88 GAA and 9.22 S%
5-6-2 2.36 GAA and .908 S%
11-8-3 2.48 GAA and .913 S%

So when you look at Lack compared to that....
50GinosIn07
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bylsmania, NY
Joined: 04.05.2015

Jun 24 @ 2:57 PM ET
Lack for 51
21 + prospect for Oshie
Grab a 1st rounder who dropped at 31

Call it a weekend

BigStew
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.09.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:57 PM ET

- Der Kaiser


Nice catch.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:58 PM ET
I don't think they will retain any salary (unless it is equal or less than the buyout cap hit).

I heard they got offers for a 3rd round pick, sounds really low, but I see them taking it if they are going to buy him out

- Lilroot9



I would take a 3rd for Hodgson instead of buying him out.

Unless the progress he is making in Sweden is actually showing Murray and Bylsma something.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 2:59 PM ET
I too thought Folingo would be traded, I know Murray said something near trade deadline about not trading him, but as a building piece as something you say to try to increase value. I hope it works.
- Lilroot9


And scary enough as it is to say... last year was his best year in the NHL with 20 pts in 57 games.

had 19 pts in 74 games and 18 pts in 47 pts before that.


I don't see him as anything more than a 3rd line and a 2nd line PKer at best.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 2:59 PM ET
Lack for 51
21 + prospect for Oshie
Grab a 1st rounder who dropped at 31

Call it a weekend


- 50GinosIn07



I don't think he is worth that much as he will likely be a fringe second line player.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:59 PM ET
Nice catch.
- BigStew

BigStew
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.09.2007

Jun 24 @ 2:59 PM ET
When everyone was drooling all over Jonathon Bernier in backing up Quick on a championship contending team his numbers were....

9-3-1 1.88 GAA and 9.22 S%
5-6-2 2.36 GAA and .908 S%
11-8-3 2.48 GAA and .913 S%

So when you look at Lack compared to that....

- JVince11


I don't really have a problem with Lack, I just don't see a reason why we need to trade for him but I guess the 2nd rounder probably only has a 50:50 chance in playing over 3 years in the league anyway. So it probably doesnt hurt.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 3:00 PM ET
Lack for 51
21 + prospect for Oshie
Grab a 1st rounder who dropped at 31

Call it a weekend


- 50GinosIn07


FORGOT EICHEL!!!!!! lol

Not a bad weekend but I don't picture that getting Oshie as much as I'd love it to unless you are putting up like Pysyk or McCabe. I don't think Compher or Hurley make that deal work. I hope we wouldn't deal Bailey or Baptiste in that either.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:01 PM ET
I don't really have a problem with Lack, I just don't see a reason why we need to trade for him but I guess the 2nd rounder probably only has a 50:50 chance in playing over 3 years in the league anyway. So it probably doesnt hurt.
- BigStew



Plus, the team only has 50 contracts. Murray needs to start moving picks for other assets. They won't be able to sign all of these players. If you get Lack for a couple of years, it allows Makarov, Ullmark, Peterson and the like more time to develop.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:01 PM ET
Lack for 51
21 + prospect for Oshie
Grab a 1st rounder who dropped at 31

Call it a weekend


- 50GinosIn07


Change Oshie to Okposo for 21, Foligno, and Prospect

Trade 51 for Lack.

Eichel, Okposo, and Lack added in the "first two rounds"

Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:02 PM ET
And scary enough as it is to say... last year was his best year in the NHL with 20 pts in 57 games.

had 19 pts in 74 games and 18 pts in 47 pts before that.


I don't see him as anything more than a 3rd line and a 2nd line PKer at best.

- JVince11


Yea I see him as 4th line in a year or two. So if you can get something for a 4th liner, you take it. Very replaceable.

He has good games and then 5 no show games.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 3:04 PM ET
I don't think he is worth that much as he will likely be a fringe second line player.
- thatsapickle



Here is something....

Oshie
19 G 36 A 55 PTS in 72 games
21 G 39 A 60 PTS in 79 games
7 G 13 A 20 PTS in 30 games
19 G 35 A 54 PTS in 80 games

ROR
17 G 38 A 55 PTS in 82 games
28 G 36 A 64 PTS in 80 games
6 G 14 A 20 PTS in 29 games
18 G 37 A 55 PTS in 81 games

THEY ARE IDENTICAL!!!!

And people think that ROR is worth a 2nd overall pick.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:05 PM ET
Here is something....

Oshie
19 G 36 A 55 PTS in 72 games
21 G 39 A 60 PTS in 79 games
7 G 13 A 20 PTS in 30 games
19 G 35 A 54 PTS in 80 games

ROR
17 G 38 A 55 PTS in 82 games
28 G 36 A 64 PTS in 80 games
6 G 14 A 20 PTS in 29 games
18 G 37 A 55 PTS in 81 games

And people think that ROR is worth a 2nd overall pick.

- JVince11


But, but ROR is the truth and plays a complete 200 foot game...

Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 24 @ 3:05 PM ET
Who is available at 51 that projects better than Lack's ceiling?

Honest question.

- thatsapickle


I think the better question is this: is Lack a second round pick better than the UFA's?
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:06 PM ET
Here is something....

Oshie
19 G 36 A 55 PTS in 72 games
21 G 39 A 60 PTS in 79 games
7 G 13 A 20 PTS in 30 games
19 G 35 A 54 PTS in 80 games

ROR
17 G 38 A 55 PTS in 82 games
28 G 36 A 64 PTS in 80 games
6 G 14 A 20 PTS in 29 games
18 G 37 A 55 PTS in 81 games

THEY ARE IDENTICAL!!!!

And people think that ROR is worth a 2nd overall pick.

- JVince11


My concern with Oshie is the ability to diasppear in the playoffs. I would rather have whatever prospect or pick you would have to give in the lineup as they could be a difference maker when we are hopefully contending.
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