Ok so you're on board with trading a potentially great player for a known pretty good player. So be it.
- TheSabresTaco

If you think Sam is going to a be a great player you're likely in for a surprise. If he was in this draft he'd go somewhere between 7-10.

ROR is better than a pretty good player. Matt Moulson is a "pretty good player".

No we don't know more, but you mentioned 2 NHL people and I mentioned 2 as well. Just like us they have their own opinions.

The one point I would like you to answer is what does it say about Tim Murray that he traded his first 1st round draft pick (2nd overall) as GM the next year?

TM is supposed to be this expert amateur talent evaluator. He should know what he has, and if he is moving him the next year something isn't right.
- Stripes77

Its supposed to show that the 2014 draft wasn't a very stong one.

A 24 year old who has been a pain in contract negotiations his entire career none the less. Character says something to me.
- Stripes77

His character is off the charts high....ugh, why do I bother.

Its supposed to show that the 2014 draft wasn't a very week one.
- Homer

Strong?

I'm not quite sure what teams would rather have a 24-year-old with one year left on his deal than a 19-year-old 2nd overall pick on his entry level contract.


Then again, I'm no expert.
- CaptainRivet

A team that doesn't want to wait 3 more years for that 19 year old to have an impact.

Strong?
- rover16

oops, yes.

If you think Sam is going to a be a great player you're likely in for a surprise. If he was in this draft he'd go somewhere between 7-10.

ROR is better than a pretty good player. Matt Moulson is a "pretty good player".
- Homer

Opinions vary.

Where did that report come from.
- Homer

One of the talking head hockey guys. Get them all confused. Just heard it on GR

His character is off the charts high....ugh, why do I bother.
- Homer

Really? I can point to his contract negotiations and argue that until I am blue in the face. His attitude about it, and how publicly it went is something I would say points in the other direction. Sure it's only one scenario but it is a HUGE deal.

http://thehockeywriters.c...ame-for-contract-dispute/

His character is off the charts high....ugh, why do I bother.
- Homer

Something Reinhart has in spades. Next.

A team that doesn't want to wait 3 more years for that 19 year old to have an impact.
- Homer

I doubt it's 3, and I'm pretty sure even the discussion of dishing him out is moot.

A team that doesn't want to wait 3 more years for that 19 year old to have an impact.
- Homer

He could potentially be this team's second line center come Fall. Three years is a stretch, in my opinion.

Really? I can point to his contract negotiations and argue that until I am blue in the face. His attitude about it, and how publicly it went is something I would say points in the other direction. Sure it's only one scenario but it is a HUGE deal.

http://thehockeywriters.c...ame-for-contract-dispute/
- Stripes77

Maybe its a HUGED deal to you. Do we forget sports is a business?

A team that doesn't want to wait 3 more years for that 19 year old to have an impact.
- Homer

Isn't 3 years at 2 now since last year in juniors? If this is the case, that would mean two years to develop at the NHL or AHL level. Thus projecting this player perfectly on our timeline of the rebuild?

He could potentially be this team's second line center come Fall. Three years is a stretch, in my opinion.
- CaptainRivet

Yes, he could be. Or he could not even make the team next year.

Maybe its a HUGED deal to you. Do we forget sports is a business?
- Homer

No we don't forget that, but there's something about how you handle yourself in that business...there's a word for that...oh its character.

Yes, he could be. Or he could not even make the team next year.
- Homer

But he'll more than likely be a top-6 contributor on this team in three years time.

Yes, he could be. Or he could not even make the team next year.
- Homer

You're on the side where you'd rather put your money into a known quantity that may or may not end up being worse than a future, potentially much greater investment.

That's fine. I don't think most feel the same way.

Its me against the HB world here, as usual.

From real like NHL people....

"Reinhart best case is he turns into ROR"

"It would take more than Reinhart to get ROR"

Somebody please tell me why all of you know better then people employed by real live NHL teams? I'm not trying to be a jerk saying that, just really wanna know.
- Homer

I haven't yet weighed in on this discussion, but it is an opinion based board...of course we each think we know more.

Now, for me I keep Reinhart...the allure to this team is similar to that of a new franchise...it is fun watching it come together and musing about what could be. Further, I love this build through the draft as then these players are truly ours...making it more special when they win...like when the early year Sabres came together.
I realize you need to add parts, but I'd like to keep Reinhart and see where it gets us.
Against his peers, think U20 Tourney, he was a defensive beast .... Taking all the draws with 2 minutes left in his own zone...that is a,great sign right there!

I doubt it's 3, and I'm pretty sure even the discussion of dishing him out is moot.
- TheSabresTaco

Why? There are people in the organization, and I don't mean the VP of sales or the Zamboni driver, that aren't sold on him.

I'm not predicting he gets traded, for ROR or anybody else.....but its not crazy talk.

Really? I can point to his contract negotiations and argue that until I am blue in the face. His attitude about it, and how publicly it went is something I would say points in the other direction. Sure it's only one scenario but it is a HUGE deal.

http://thehockeywriters.c...ame-for-contract-dispute/
- Stripes77

Read the whole article, what's the problem? Even the writer says Colorado has to take part of the blame too for their take it or leave it attitude.

I haven't yet weighed in on this discussion, but it is an opinion based board...of course we each think we know more.

Now, for me I keep Reinhart...the allure to this team is similar to that of a new franchise...it is fun watching it come together and musing about what could be. Further, I love this build through the draft as then these players are truly ours...making it more special when they win...like when the early year Sabres came together.
I realize you need to add parts, but I'd like to keep Reinhart and see where it gets us.
Against his peers, think U20 Tourney, he was a defensive beast .... Taking all the draws with 2 minutes left in his own zone...that is a,great sign right there!
- IonSabres

ROR is complimentary, to add to your post. I don't agree that he's been treated like some missing link godsend. 55 point (frank)ing center. Who gives a poop about that guy.

I just don't get how guys on here want to trade Big Z and Reinhart. To say you have any idea what they are going to be is crazy. Let them develop and see what happens, they are not even 20 and some say they are a bust already. There is a reason why pretty much every scout said Reinhart hockey IQ is off the charts. I remember people say travares skating would bring him down and look at him now. Same thing is being said about Samson.

But he'll more than likely be a top-6 contributor on this team in three years time.
- CaptainRivet

I agree. And ROR would be a top 6 contributor next year AND in 3 years time.

Why? There are people in the organization, and I don't mean the VP of sales or the Zamboni driver, that aren't sold on him.

I'm not predicting he gets traded, for ROR or anybody else.....but its not crazy talk.
- Homer

there's people who aren't sold on Jack Eichel.

The kid is 19 years old. Plays 9 games as a barely 19 year old and suddenly people question him. I don't get it. I understand why Homie got so frustrated.

I think, today, it is crazy talk. He was drafted to be a staple of this organization. And I don't see a realistic scenario where he won't be.