Jim Nill says Benn and Seguin can be the next Toews and Kane. #MvsW

Yeah i was about to rant earlier on when someone was discussing the "curious timing" of re-uppping ArtemII right away.

Curious Timing?

Our young player Saad who talked hometown discount to stay was talking through one side of his mouth while his agent (with his knowledge) was talking another...that equaled goodbye.
The veteran return was a guy ArtemII was a player whose point totals have never been commensurate his abilities, heart and energy.
A guy who has always be a team first player and who looks to be an excellent fit in that regard and plays a position BIG CENTRE that there was an opening.

You trade for Anisimov and he is totally thrilled to come be part of it and will do anything to win the silver, and he is not a FLY-BY NIGHT come over and threaten departure back to Russia...never played that card. Wants to play with the best against the best.
You know he's got a year left and Seabrook's gonna be a UFA so you do the smart thing, you sign him until 2021 at $4,550,000 when he is 33.
If anyone here thinks 4.55 million is a bad deal in five years, well you are fooling yourself. There are going to a dozen young centremen drafted early by Buffalo, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, etc asking for that as their BRIDGE money.

So the "curious timing" was more the hawks had a newly acquired vet who was thrilled and ready to stay. Why wait?
Because you refused Saad a CRAZY high bridge deal?
- wiz1901

I don't have a problem with the extension since the 2C position has been empty for years now.

Looking back, I think Stan is making some decent moves with the goal of cost certainty and youth for longer periods of time.

One thing that may be problematic… I wish they had held onto Anti Raanta longer… If we needed to include Johns (projected as a 5-6 or maybe #4 max guy) to move Sharp, fine. If we have to trade Danault (projected at most as 3C) to sweeten a Bickell deal, fine -- better than Shaw or the rights to Kruger. However, having a goalie prospect (who actually put up great numbers when Crawford was injured) would have been a nice sweetener to several deals. Seriously…

By the way, Daley is going to have MUCH more offensive ability than Oduya, which is sort of nice since it was only Keith and Seabrook with the offensive side last year. If Daley can take some pressure off Keith and Seabs on the PP and allow Q more lineup possibilities, then great.

Love the SHG that's third down on this highlight reel:
http://video.stars.nhl.co...nsole?hlp=8470110&lang=en

I don't have a problem with the extension since the 2C position has been empty for years now.

Looking back, I think Stan is making some decent moves with the goal of cost certainty and youth for longer periods of time.

One thing that may be problematic… I wish they had held onto Anti Raanta longer… If we needed to include Johns (projected as a 5-6 or maybe #4 max guy) to move Sharp, fine. If we have to trade Danault (projected at most as 3C) to sweeten a Bickell deal, fine -- better than Shaw or the rights to Kruger. However, having a goalie prospect (who actually put up great numbers when Crawford was injured) would have been a nice sweetener to several deals. Seriously…

By the way, Daley is going to have MUCH more offensive ability than Oduya, which is sort of nice since it was only Keith and Seabrook with the offensive side last year. If Daley can take some pressure off Keith and Seabs on the PP and allow Q more lineup possibilities, then great.

Love the SHG that's third down on this highlight reel:
http://video.stars.nhl.co...nsole?hlp=8470110&lang=en
- DMChi2010

Dman takes the shot, goalie leaves a juicy rebound, dman follows shot and bangs home the rebound. where have we seen this recently?

Thanks for your input, as always.
- Chicago_Sean

so its better to have a hawk fan say stuff that is not true since saad isnt a hawk anymore than to actually say what happened?

Not stupid at all. If I were a Bruins fan I would have been asking this about a lot of teams.

I'm not sure the Hawks would have traded Seabrook for Hamilton. I would have no doubt though the offer could have been used to go to Seabrook and ask him to sign an extension for a reasonable amount to stay or they would have to move him... then you have to deal with the NTC. Also, Sweeney would have still had a huge cap issue to deal with.

I do think the Bruins could have gotten more than what they got from Calgary from someone else like Dallas.
- tredbrta

IMO. If Sweeney was concerned about the cap he wouldn't have signed McQauid.......

Jim Nill says Benn and Seguin can be the next Toews and Kane. #MvsW
- southernhawk

Jim Nill says Benn and Seguin can be the next Toews and Kane. #MvsW
- southernhawk

NHL15, Seguin can play as Toews and Benn can control kane, that is about the only way.

can anyone provide info on erik gustafsson? i see stan signed him in spring. oilers didn't want him? put up a good season in sel.

stan must really like him if he bounced paliotta and johns.

so its better to have a hawk fan say stuff that is not true since saad isnt a hawk anymore than to actually say what happened?
- flyershockey

Erroneous stuff is said on boards like this all the time...nothing to see here

Jim Nill says Benn and Seguin can be the next Toews and Kane. #MvsW
- southernhawk

Hard to argue with that. Stan turned Dallas into a contender by giving/allowing them to sign Oduya, Sharp and Johns, while dumping trash in the form of Garbage and Daley off on us. Along with Niemi, the team has improved immeasurably.

I've seen plenty of Garbutt and Daley. Garbutt is Raffi Torres light, and Daley can't play defense. How people insist that Daley is "a perfect fit" for Q's system absolutely astounds me. He is a poor man's Leddy, and the team couldn't off Leddy fast enough.

Jim Nill says Benn and Seguin can be the next Toews and Kane. #MvsW
- southernhawk

I don't think either of them is capable of being as much of a shutdown guy as Toews is.

can anyone provide info on erik gustafsson? i see stan signed him in spring. oilers didn't want him? put up a good season in sel.

stan must really like him if he bounced paliotta and johns.
- Vanhawk

I remember the Hawks having a slew of RHD, now Paliotta and Johns are gone. WOnder how many RHD they still have in the system

Just some quick numbers which mean nothing and don't include intangibles, but.......

111 points in 222 games: Anisimov, Dano, Daley and Garbutt.

142 points in 302 games: Saad, Sharp, Oduya and Richards.

We'll be fine....Nice return for Saad, Daley replaces Oduya and Sharp and Richards are declining, Richards more so than Sharp. Our young kids have to play and grow up and if you look at Dano, Teravainen, Tikhonov, Panarin, and some of young D we'll be just fine. They need minutes and experience. Remember, we have some guys named Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, Hossa and the Hammer that will lead the way. Just reloading is all.

Don't agree. Shaw is a solid depth player who plays a good role on this team but he is replacable. Moreover, his style of play does not bode well for the longevity of his career.

If it takes Shaw to move Bickell, you pull the trigger.
- Bjm84

Keep Shaw. If he is so easily replaceable now, why worry about his longevity? He will be just as replaceable when his career comes to an end.

I don't think either of them is capable of being as much of a shutdown guy as Toews is.
- JRoenick97

both of those guys are better offensively than toews though. they arent really great comparisons because those 2 are very different than toews.

so its better to have a hawk fan say stuff that is not true since saad isnt a hawk anymore than to actually say what happened?
- flyershockey

No, just your absence.

Plenty of hockey talk on Metlzer's Flyer thread. He is a great blogger. Go there.

Get over the humiliation you felt being out debated and your pick outplayed in the WCFs, get over your Jaekel hatred, your hatred of Hawks posters here and go back with your own like Nurk.

Your agenda is obvious. This whole "I'm gonna post here to show how unfair the moderator and blogger are" thing is just juvenile and sad. You've been picking at John and others from day 1. Even when you weakly attempt to disguise it with the mention of something on topic.

You don't know the Hawks and your input here is worthless. Begone.

both of those guys are better offensively than toews though. they arent really great comparisons because those 2 are very different than toews.
- flyershockey

That mostly true because Toews has to play a shutdown role. I think Seguin and Kane could be on par with each other. Different skillsets, but similar PPG. I still think Toews has the edge by being as good as he is at shutdown work while still putting up 60+ per season.

Hard to argue with that. Stan turned Dallas into a contender by giving/allowing them to sign Oduya, Sharp and Johns, while dumping trash in the form of Garbage and Daley off on us. Along with Niemi, the team has improved immeasurably.

I've seen plenty of Garbutt and Daley. Garbutt is Raffi Torres light, and Daley can't play defense. How people insist that Daley is "a perfect fit" for Q's system absolutely astounds me. He is a poor man's Leddy, and the team couldn't off Leddy fast enough.
- Q...argh

Wow...

So Stan's blown it again...just like every other off season. Guess everyone should prepare for another season of failure.

It's rough being a Hawk fan these days...

That window closed June 30th. Other than moving him, it's LTIR.
- blackhawk24

If he doesn't qualify for LTIR then perhaps Cooke could be signed for a few practice scrimmages.

NHL15, Seguin can play as Toews and Benn can control kane, that is about the only way.
- ikeane

... Benn and Seguin are terrific, but spare me the T and K comparisons.

Hard to argue with that. Stan turned Dallas into a contender by giving/allowing them to sign Oduya, Sharp and Johns, while dumping trash in the form of Garbage and Daley off on us. Along with Niemi, the team has improved immeasurably.

I've seen plenty of Garbutt and Daley. Garbutt is Raffi Torres light, and Daley can't play defense. How people insist that Daley is "a perfect fit" for Q's system absolutely astounds me. He is a poor man's Leddy, and the team couldn't off Leddy fast enough.
- Q...argh

They still need 2-3 young d men to really stand out and the goaltending to improve. If a few of those young d men meet expectations they could be really good....

Keep Shaw. If he is so easily replaceable now, why worry about his longevity? He will be just as replaceable when his career comes to an end.
- stanleyhawk

Simple yet brilliant...and correct.

Hard to argue with that. Stan turned Dallas into a contender by giving/allowing them to sign Oduya, Sharp and Johns, while dumping trash in the form of Garbage and Daley off on us. Along with Niemi, the team has improved immeasurably.

I've seen plenty of Garbutt and Daley. Garbutt is Raffi Torres light, and Daley can't play defense. How people insist that Daley is "a perfect fit" for Q's system absolutely astounds me. He is a poor man's Leddy, and the team couldn't off Leddy fast enough.
- Q...argh

Sorry man, have to disagree with what you are saying

Red wins the rubber match 6-3 at today's Prospect Camp. #HawksProspects

HIGHLIGHTS: http://t.co/7c3HOc4ASm

... Benn and Seguin are terrific, but spare me the T and K comparisons.
- kwolf68

Nill would make that statement to the Dallas media to sell his club. There's nothing more to it...