Dallas is now Atlanta circa 2010. Just swooping up all our players haha

I love JO and hope he thrives in Dallas, but I won't be surprised if he's not much more than adequate. Without Hammer, I very much doubt that Johnny will be the big upgrade over Daley the Stars seem to expect.
- Volodya

Oduya has proven himself WITHOUT Hammer. More of this unsubstantiated stuff.

Oduya was a VERY GOOD d-man in New Jersey. VERY GOOD.

I don't think Dallas sees Oduya as a big upgrade over Daley, but they see him as one defensively, which is where Dallas NEEDs the help. Dallas did the right thing by trading out Daley for Oduya because of their specific strengths. If they can slot JO on the 2nd pairing they got a warrior, a champion and a leader...AND a damn fine hockey player.

Dallas is now Atlanta circa 2010. Just swooping up all our players haha
- BURDA13

At least in 2010 we actually didn't have to trade prospects. It's way different now.

Imagine having to move Hammer back in 2010 just so someone would "take" Andrew Ladd?

This year feels way different.

I love JO and hope he thrives in Dallas, but I won't be surprised if he's not much more than adequate. Without Hammer, I very much doubt that Johnny will be the big upgrade over Daley the Stars seem to expect.
- Volodya

Dallas will be ok.

More offense, at least on par on defense.

Already dangerous Central division team just got better.

I wouldn't mind if he signed 2 of Schlemko, Volchenkov (both play responsible d styles) and/or Erhroff. TVR can rotate in and out of the top 6
Rundblad can get the occasional game in against weaker teams like Carolia
- ikeane

They are signing Rozsival over those guys.
Or a million dollar Cap hit big substitute vet who has some grit.

The affromentioned all think they are entitled to dollars and never have shown true value.

Happens every single day in business. When the seller has to sell, its a buyer's market. And why would a buyer volunteer making a very risky, expensive purchase without a carrot thrown in to help him get over the hump?
- RickJ

Asking for TT isn't really looking for a carrot though. More like demanding the whole damn supermarket.

Oduya has proven himself WITHOUT Hammer. More of this unsubstantiated stuff.

Oduya was a VERY GOOD d-man in New Jersey. VERY GOOD.

I don't think Dallas sees Oduya as a big upgrade over Daley, but they see him as one defensively, which is where Dallas NEEDs the help. Dallas did the right thing by trading out Daley for Oduya because of their specific strengths. If they can slot JO on the 2nd pairing they got a warrior, a champion and a leader...AND a damn fine hockey player.
- kwolf68

OD was also much younger and injury free in NJ. Alot of miles since NJ.

They are signing Rozsival over those guys.
Or a million dollar Cap hit big substitute vet who has some grit.

The affromentioned all think they are entitled to dollars and never have shown true value.
- wiz1901

What if Erhoff comes in a 1.5? I'd jump ALL over that.

Oduya has proven himself WITHOUT Hammer. More of this unsubstantiated stuff.

Oduya was a VERY GOOD d-man in New Jersey. VERY GOOD.

I don't think Dallas sees Oduya as a big upgrade over Daley, but they see him as one defensively, which is where Dallas NEEDs the help. Dallas did the right thing by trading out Daley for Oduya because of their specific strengths. If they can slot JO on the 2nd pairing they got a warrior, a champion and a leader...AND a damn fine hockey player.
- kwolf68

In sharp and JO, Dallas had the major leadership upgrade. Sharpie can mentor Seguin and Benn. That sometimes can be as valuable as on ice production. Hawks lose two great leaders, but CAPT Serious, Hossa, Seabs, Keith are all still around to keep the troops in line

They are signing Rozsival over those guys.
Or a million dollar Cap hit big substitute vet who has some grit.

The affromentioned all think they are entitled to dollars and never have shown true value.
- wiz1901

Rozi could barely get up to speed with a good ankle last year. He will be a lead weight this year.

OD was also much younger and injury free in NJ. Alot of miles since NJ.
- powerenforcer

Yep and they have him for only 2 more years. Plenty of hockey left for him. The point about the NJ comment was HE IS a good player. He is NOT a product of playing with Hammer. We can quit that bullpoop now.

Is he older? Yes...but he's also smarter, more savvy...and since the deal is short term, Dallas hit a homerun.

Dallas will be ok.

More offense, at least on par on defense.

Already dangerous Central division team just got better.
- carcus

Sadly for them, I think they're still 5th in the Central.

Thank you for the Oduya support. I hope Daley fits in. I think he'll be a better offensive player than Johnny and if he picks up his defensive game only marginally we'll have a very nice hockey player there. Trevor Daley is a good player with good character. I like him. But i hated losing JO. Imagine JO AND Daley with the Big 3? WOW...

now wonder teams won't play ball. They see that possibility and it's maybe game over.
- kwolf68

JO did a great job in Chicago but like I posted last night there is a time when all players have to move on. In this case its just about the money fit (or not fit).

The bright side - the Hawks have moved out 4 players in their mid 30's (Vermette, Richards, Sharp and JO). Add Kimmo to the list and the average age of this team just came down significantly. That's a good thing.

Can't view this in a vacuum. Just because Nill took advantage of SB not being able to move some guys, doesn't make it a coup for Nill.

SB had to move salary. He did. SB had to cover his ass in possibly losing his 4D. He did. SB needed to sweeten the deal to move salary. He did. SB need to save further money coming back in a 4th liner. He did.

It make look tilted in the favor of DAL, but SB did OK for himself IMO.
- blackhawk24

Oh no question...Stan had to move salary absolutely. I'm not disagreeing with that at all...but it can't be denied that Nill made a couple of really nice moves here.

It remains to be seen how Daley fits in here and Garbutt as well. I'm sure there are still some moves here from Bowman.

Hawks got taken. Just the price of winning the Cup. Other deals were probably worse. In the end...as long as 81, 88, 19, 2, 4 and 7 are on the ice this team will always be in the mix. NO ONE can boast a core as brilliant. NO ONE.
- kwolf68

You cannot look at the trade that way, because that wasn't the trade. Trade was Daley, Johns for Daley, Garbutt, Salary. What players do as FA doesn't effect the trade. When the offseason came, we expected Sharp and Oduya gone. There was a sliver of hope for Oduya, but we knew he was gone. Can't lump Oduya into the Stars trade.

In sharp and JO, Dallas had the major leadership upgrade. Sharpie can mentor Seguin and Benn. That sometimes can be as valuable as on ice production. Hawks lose two great leaders, but CAPT Serious, Hossa, Seabs, Keith are all still around to keep the troops in line
- ikeane

I agree with this ikeane. I think Dallas is MARKEDLY better now. Oh yea, they are in our division. The Blues, Wild and Preds are going nowhere. The Jets? Strong. Now Dallas. The Central was a dog fight last year, it's gonna be worse next year. Yes, our core is the best in the world and it's not really close, so that keeps things sane around here.

I fault him for being lazy, inconsistent and too often disinterested. He cashed in on a 20 game 2013 playoff run. And the Hawks got taken. He has ALWAYS been terribly inconsistent. Bowman knew it and paid him too much anyway. Horrible deal, HORRIBLE deal for this franchise.
- kwolf68

No he was a difference making contributor for the Hawks when we won the Stanley Cup in 2013, there is no way we get by Detroit without him period.

He was a big factor in these playoffs throwing his weight around until he got vertigo. Opposing Defenseman were making quick decisions on the ice when he was out there, he gets hurt doesn't play in Lightning series and guys like Sustr and Hedman were not intimidated at all by the other Hawks forwards, he is what he is an expensive insurance policy for the playoffs.

It'd rather trade Versteeg since he can't keep his composure, deal with Bickell, sign Kruger and Rozi, play Darling half the games till trade dead line and if Darling cuts it trade CC and whoever else the org is looking at getting rid of next year.

JJ--I totally agree with you about the agent stuff. I mentioned that yesterday that I thought it was odd. It seems odd to announce that your client has ruled a team out. Why not jus stay tight-lipped until a deal is done and announce it when you get the green light? Is there some type of strategy in saying that a player has ruled out a team? Maybe to keep the buzz going about said player? I'm not a business guy, so I'm just trying to understand the reasoning. There's certainly a "game" aspect to it.

I agree with this ikeane. I think Dallas is MARKEDLY better now. Oh yea, they are in our division. The Blues, Wild and Preds are going nowhere. The Jets? Strong. Now Dallas. The Central was a dog fight last year, it's gonna be worse next year. Yes, our core is the best in the world and it's not really close, so that keeps things sane around here.
- kwolf68

I think the Avs got better too, but Wild are iffy, they need solid goaltending from Dubynk again, if not they are in trouble

No he was a difference making contributor for the Hawks when we won the Stanley Cup in 2013, there is no way we get by Detroit without him period.

He was a big factor in these playoffs throwing his weight around until he got vertigo. Opposing Defenseman were making quick decisions on the ice when he was out there, he gets hurt doesn't play in Lightning series and guys like Sustr and Hedman were not intimidated at all by the other Hawks forwards, he is what he is an expensive insurance policy for the playoffs.

It'd rather trade Versteeg since he can't keep his composure, deal with Bickell, sign Kruger and Rozi, play Darling half the games till trade dead line and if Darling cuts it trade CC and whoever else the org is looking at getting rid of next year.
- BetweenTheDots

Expect there is NOT ONE SINGLE GM who feels as you do. They ALL believe he is garbage. The only way they want him is to cherry pick our best players.

They are signing Rozsival over those guys.
Or a million dollar Cap hit big substitute vet who has some grit.

The affromentioned all think they are entitled to dollars and never have shown true value.
- wiz1901

Slow Rosi coming off a broken ankle? In my opinion, the Hawks don't need flashy, just serviceable. Ehrhoff hurt his value this past season in PIT. Maybe he takes a one year prove it deal in Chicago ala Richards. Schlemko is a defensive dman that is bottom pairing so can't see him costing much. I would think the Hawks will want depth, and players that are younger than rosi and aren't coming off a bad bone break a couple of months ago.

I think the Avs got better too, but Wild are iffy, they need solid goaltending from Dubynk again, if not they are in trouble
- DDM-Coga

Yes better, but being better in the Central may still mean a 5th place finish. This division is gross. Simply gross. I want to realign.

Yep and they have him for only 2 more years. Plenty of hockey left for him. The point about the NJ comment was HE IS a good player. He is NOT a product of playing with Hammer. We can quit that bullpoop now.

Is he older? Yes...but he's also smarter, more savvy...and since the deal is short term, Dallas hit a homerun.
- kwolf68

So he was great when playing for 2 of the best defensive teams of the last decade. How was he for a lesser ATL/Winnipeg team?

No he was a difference making contributor for the Hawks when we won the Stanley Cup in 2013, there is no way we get by Detroit without him period.

He was a big factor in these playoffs throwing his weight around until he got vertigo. Opposing Defenseman were making quick decisions on the ice when he was out there, he gets hurt doesn't play in Lightning series and guys like Sustr and Hedman were not intimidated at all by the other Hawks forwards, he is what he is an expensive insurance policy for the playoffs.

It'd rather trade Versteeg since he can't keep his composure, deal with Bickell, sign Kruger and Rozi, play Darling half the games till trade dead line and if Darling cuts it trade CC and whoever else the org is looking at getting rid of next year.
- BetweenTheDots

No thanks to Rozi. His ankle was decimated. No way he's 100% coming back, and was super slow already. Look how a foot injury hurt Oduya for the first 1/2 of the season.

Yes better, but being better in the Central may still mean a 5th place finish. This division is gross. Simply gross. I want to realign.
- kwolf68

you could be last in the central and be a 97 point team