I don't think choosing Miller over Lack is stupid at all. Benning also said when he signed Lack that the players wanted a more experienced goalie on the roster. I don't view it as choosing Miller over Lack, but choosing Markstrom over Lack.
- golfingsince

Exactly.

Are you a Canuck fan? If so did you just call yourself a myopicc schyzo? Or are you one of these self proclaimed Elitist that bought memberships to this special club and just look down on all Canuck fans and think your better? I missed the day that they were handing out those memberships .


BTW according to your friend Don you fit the category of an untrue Canuck fan seeing your avatar says Nashville?
- VANTEL

I just don't look at things in a vacuum, I'm a poker player, I expect some variance when I play because chance/luck plays a part even if you make the most correct decision possible. I don't look down on people, but I just laugh at how people seem to think that the moves we made THIS off-season is so horrible and how after only 2 off-seasons Canuck 'fans' are trying to get Benning fired because he's not getting us to the Promised Land immediately, or else getting hundreds of first round picks for all the 2011 core.

EDIT: BTW, my avatar says Nashville because a very good friend's son plays in their organization, one of the things I'm pissed at Gillis for because he was there, was rated a first rounder and slipped to mid-second to Nashville.

1. Signing Miller I can buy somewhat. But then choosing Miller over Lack(especially considering the difference in salary and sv% is stupid). Bending said he had calls on Miller too...

2. Trading for Sbisa when they could have had a different asset plus the stupid contract for him.

3. Trading Kassian for an older, more expensive, less productive player. You're almost better off just telling him he's going to get waived if he doesn't get his act together and hope his off-ice issues improve due to fear of playing for the Yotes.

These are the 3 major issues I have. With Gillis, I at least saw logic behind every move but Benning makes some questionable decisions that look bad right away. At least MG's (frank) ups had some upside at the time they were made.
- Nucker101

1. I never liked the Miller signing, still don't, but I get why they kept Miller over Lack. Lack is not the better goalie, Miller gives them the better opportunity to win games.

2. I don't like Sbisa either, but he's now a younger Bieksa, so at least the team got younger.

3. Kassian was a train wreck. From the sounds of it they (three Coaches, two sets of management) spent a lot of time trying to get him on track. They gave up. Never liked that trade, still don't, but when it's time to call it quits its time. If they had waived him they would have gotten nothing, at least we get a year (or more) of Prust, who will have a positive influence on the up and coming players.

MG's moves "looked" like they had upside right away, but turned out to be abysmal. Booth, Ballard, Kassian to name but three. I get not liking the optics, but maybe lets see how these moves work out before crucifying the management. If Prust is a bust and walks away for nothing at the end of the season, you can say "I told you so", but right now I like the look of that move. You can have Sbisa, I don't think he'll ever live up to that contract, but I guess we'll see.

I don't think choosing Miller over Lack is stupid at all. Benning also said when he signed Lack that the players wanted a more experienced goalie on the roster. I don't view it as choosing Miller over Lack, but choosing Markstrom over Lack.
- golfingsince

Nor do I. Having a veteran goaltender to mentor and stabilize the position is how I'd do it as well. I also see it as Markstrom over Lack.

1. I never liked the Miller signing, still don't, but I get why they kept Miller over Lack. Lack is not the better goalie, Miller gives them the better opportunity to win games.

2. I don't like Sbisa either, but he's now a younger Bieksa, so at least the team got younger.

3. Kassian was a train wreck. From the sounds of it they (three Coaches, two sets of management) spent a lot of time trying to get him on track. They gave up. Never liked that trade, still don't, but when it's time to call it quits its time. If they had waived him they would have gotten nothing, at least we get a year (or more) of Prust, who will have a positive influence on the up and coming players.

MG's moves "looked" like they had upside right away, but turned out to be abysmal. Booth, Ballard, Kassian to name but three. I get not liking the optics, but maybe lets see how these moves work out before crucifying the management. If Prust is a bust and walks away for nothing at the end of the season, you can say "I told you so", but right now I like the look of that move. You can have Sbisa, I don't think he'll ever live up to that contract, but I guess we'll see.
- 1970vintage

Prust could be a valuable commodity at the TDL.

I don't think choosing Miller over Lack is stupid at all. Benning also said when he signed Lack that the players wanted a more experienced goalie on the roster. I don't view it as choosing Miller over Lack, but choosing Markstrom over Lack.
- golfingsince

I could buy that last year, but I value sv% over goalie wins so to me the choice was clear this year. Especially since Lack arguably had more difficult starts(2nd half of back to backs and sometimes the harder opponents).

Nor do I. Having a veteran goaltender to mentor and stabilize the position is how I'd do it as well. I also see it as Markstrom over Lack.
- LeftCoaster

I, too, hated the Miller signing but understand it especially after hearing that the players wanted a veteran goalie. I also see it as Markstrom over Lack.

1. I never liked the Miller signing, still don't, but I get why they kept Miller over Lack. Lack is not the better goalie, Miller gives them the better opportunity to win games.

2. I don't like Sbisa either, but he's now a younger Bieksa, so at least the team got younger.

3. Kassian was a train wreck. From the sounds of it they (three Coaches, two sets of management) spent a lot of time trying to get him on track. They gave up. Never liked that trade, still don't, but when it's time to call it quits its time. If they had waived him they would have gotten nothing, at least we get a year (or more) of Prust, who will have a positive influence on the up and coming players.

MG's moves "looked" like they had upside right away, but turned out to be abysmal. Booth, Ballard, Kassian to name but three. I get not liking the optics, but maybe lets see how these moves work out before crucifying the management. If Prust is a bust and walks away for nothing at the end of the season, you can say "I told you so", but right now I like the look of that move. You can have Sbisa, I don't think he'll ever live up to that contract, but I guess we'll see.
- 1970vintage

1. See my post above

2. Bieksa sucks now but even 2-3 years he was twice the dman Sbisa has ever been. Put up way more points, was decent defensively despite bonehead moments.

3. Goals win games, locker room leaders can only do so much.

Is there anything left of that horse you keep beating?
- Marwood

There have been hundreds of General Managers go thru the league, not one, to the best of my knowledge, has ever come out with a perfect record. And, there is logic behind Bennings moves if you choose to see it. Accepting it is another story.

There have been hundreds of General Managers go thru the league, not one, to the best of my knowledge, has ever come out with a perfect record. And, there is logic behind Bennings moves if you choose to see it. Accepting it is another story.
- LeftCoaster

I've tried pretty hard to find the logic on those 3, but I find it either impossible or extremely difficult to agree with. It's just my opinion not a fact, if people can't handle it then that's their problem.

I could buy that last year, but I value sv% over goalie wins so to me the choice was clear this year. Especially since Lack arguably had more difficult starts(2nd half of back to backs and sometimes the harder opponents).
- Nucker101

I think sv% is leaned on too much. Teams often play differently depending on who is in their net. Lack moves so much in that net and leaves some pretty big holes to shoot through. I don't think he'll ever be a #1 goalie in this league for a winning team.

I've tried pretty hard to find the logic on those 3, but I find it either impossible or extremely difficult to agree with. It's just my opinion not a fact, if people can't handle it then that's their problem.
- Nucker101

I understand, you could ask 100 people the same question and get a 100 different answers or views. To me, the logic is there. But I've moved past those meaningless (to me) deals.

Holding onto things doesn't allow a person to move forward. Not having Lack or Kassian on the team is in no way going to impede the team from moving forward in a positive way.

I'm with you on the Sbisa deal, but again, won't hurt the team going forward with the position they're in. He got it wrong there!

Says the guy with 'Florida Panthers' below his name.
- Marwood

It was Canucks Don that said anyone changing their avatar was not a true Canucks fan. I was pointing out to DK that according to Don he doesn't think he was a true fan . I didn't think that comment needed an explanation but there you go I provided one

I just don't look at things in a vacuum, I'm a poker player, I expect some variance when I play because chance/luck plays a part even if you make the most correct decision possible. I don't look down on people, but I just laugh at how people seem to think that the moves we made THIS off-season is so horrible and how after only 2 off-seasons Canuck 'fans' are trying to get Benning fired because he's not getting us to the Promised Land immediately, or else getting hundreds of first round picks for all the 2011 core.

EDIT: BTW, my avatar says Nashville because a very good friend's son plays in their organization, one of the things I'm pissed at Gillis for because he was there, was rated a first rounder and slipped to mid-second to Nashville.
- DariusKnight

Mine says Florida because a good friend plays on the team too, see everything is not always what it appears. I would hve thought a poker player would realize that.

Nor do I. Having a veteran goaltender to mentor and stabilize the position is how I'd do it as well. I also see it as Markstrom over Lack.
- LeftCoaster

I see it as more of Benning over the fans.

I think sv% is leaned on too much. Teams often play differently depending on who is in their net. Lack moves so much in that net and leaves some pretty big holes to shoot through. I don't think he'll ever be a #1 goalie in this league for a winning team.
- golfingsince

adjusted sv% takes into account the quality of shots faced and he still beats out Miller so I really have nothing else to change my mind.

I see it as more of Benning over the fans.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Bennings trolling the fan base lol

I understand, you could ask 100 people the same question and get a 100 different answers or views. To me, the logic is there. But I've moved past those meaningless (to me) deals.

Holding onto things doesn't allow a person to move forward. Not having Lack or Kassian on the team is in no way going to impede the team from me vine forward in a positive way.

I'm with you on the Sbisa deal, but again, won't hurt the team going forward with the position they're in. He got it wrong there!
- LeftCoaster

I agree that none of the three will have a major impact but it's more about my doubt in Benning as a GM that's my concern than the actual ramifications of these deals.

Is it ok to talk about the hockey pool for a second?

Is it ok to talk about the hockey pool for a second?
- LeftCoaster

I'll allow it

Bennings trolling the fan base lol
- LeftCoaster

It's working

Edit: get rid of the NTCs and the fair weather fans in 1 swoop.

It was Canucks Don that said anyone changing their avatar was not a true Canucks fan. I was pointing out to DK that according to Don he doesn't think he was a true fan . I didn't think that comment needed an explanation but there you go I provided one
- VANTEL

I agree.
Fair weather fans at best, as far as I'm concerned.

I've tried pretty hard to find the logic on those 3, but I find it either impossible or extremely difficult to agree with. It's just my opinion not a fact, if people can't handle it then that's their problem.
- Nucker101

You can't find logic in those three because they were all simply mistakes, no matter which way you look at it. We can try and provide excuses and make prognostications but it won't change the fact that it would be nice to have a do-over. Alas, it's not like we didn't know Benning wasn't infallible when he was first hired. But thus far I can say the moves that I liked can be counted on one hand - I've liked the drafting and I liked the Dorsett and Vrbata signings. Other than not, I haven't been impressed. And no, I'm not calling for Benning's head, but this year is going to make or break him (at least in the eyes of the media and fans).

adjusted sv% takes into account the quality of shots faced and he still beats out Miller so I really have nothing else to change my mind.
- Nucker101

Here is Miller's for his career. I still think he's better than Lack, with a much bigger sample size. Also notable is that it was better in the playoffs.

http://war-on-ice.com/goa...ason.html?woiid=millery80

When are you planning the draft and is everyone confirmed for next year?