Anyone else see Rush last night? I wasn't going until the last moment when I just couldn't stop myself - got some great tickets.

As always, a great show - almost 3 hours!! they played their fare share of old stuff (nothing better than hearing Spirit of the Radio, YYZ and Tom Sawyer, Closer to the Heart live). They even played Temples of Syrinx

Hillbillly, I'm glad you ultimately decided to go - were you inundated with the B.C. place teeny bopper groupies?
- Zogg

Ya I did. Best special effects of any band live. Unreal. Amazing show every time. Peart was awesome too. Wow hes good. Theres a reason he was best drummer on the planet for 25 straight years. Ultimately his student portnoy has held that crown the last 12 or so.

Did you guys tickets from the link I posted?

I've tried pretty hard to find the logic on those 3, but I find it either impossible or extremely difficult to agree with. It's just my opinion not a fact, if people can't handle it then that's their problem.
- Nucker101

Ahhh, there you are

I can totally appreciate this Nucker

Mine says Florida because a good friend plays on the team too, see everything is not always what it appears. I would hve thought a poker player would realize that.
- VANTEL

No it doesn't, but I always know that I'm dealing with incomplete or incorrect information and my reads won't be perfect 100% of the time. I don't mind being hammered because I feel that some people (and honestly my post wasn't aimed at you or Nucker101 because you aren't the ones who are acting schizo/myopic because you at least have clear ideas for why you don't like the direction the team's going (and that's fair, I don't agree with every move made, but I don't see it hampering us the way Gillis moves did)) seem to think that unless we win the off-season, we're going to die in the regular season when the off-season isn't even over yet.

You can't find logic in those three because they were all simply mistakes, no matter which way you look at it. We can try and provide excuses and make prognostications but it won't change the fact that it would be nice to have a do-over. Alas, it's not like we didn't know Benning wasn't infallible when he was first hired. But thus far I can say the moves that I liked can be counted on one hand - I've liked the drafting and I liked the Dorsett and Vrbata signings. Other than not, I haven't been impressed. And no, I'm not calling for Benning's head, but this year is going to make or break him (at least in the eyes of the media and fans).
- Zogg

My opinion is - Linden & Bennings have ownership support to turn this roster over. Which is a process that's gonna take some time. Therefore, the fans who think Bennings will be on any type of hot-seat are unrealistic.

My opinion is - Linden & Bennings have ownership support to turn this roster over. Which is a process that's gonna take some time. Therefore, the fans who think Bennings will be on any type of hot-seat is unrealistic.
- LeftCoaster

I think they have the support to turn it over, but the ownership wants them to try to be competitive at the same time. This ownership group has fired the GM both times they've missed the playoffs.

No it doesn't, but I always know that I'm dealing with incomplete or incorrect information and my reads won't be perfect 100% of the time. I don't mind being hammered because I feel that some people (and honestly my post wasn't aimed at you or Nucker101 because you aren't the ones who are acting schizo/myopic because you at least have clear ideas for why you don't like the direction the team's going (and that's fair, I don't agree with every move made, but I don't see it hampering us the way Gillis moves did)) seem to think that unless we win the off-season, we're going to die in the regular season when the off-season isn't even over yet.
- DariusKnight

I look at the Benning trades as over ,done, put them to bed . I wasn't happy with the Kassian trade , but there is not much more to say about it.

I am happy with the movement of players being shipped out I wish a few more would go and I do expect more to be gone this year. All in all they have made some moves in the right direction.

Here is Miller's for his career. I still think he's better than Lack, with a much bigger sample size. Also notable is that it was better in the playoffs.

http://war-on-ice.com/goa...ason.html?woiid=millery80
- golfingsince

Miller's pretty old so I'm hesitant to just look at his career numbers, maybe the last 2 or 3 years. But going back any further to his prime is a mistake even though some goalies seem ageless.

I think they have the support to turn it over, but the ownership wants them to try to be competitive at the same time. This ownership group has fired the GM both times they've missed the playoffs.
- golfingsince

Yes but the past doesn't always properly represent the future. It's been years, before the Aquilini's purchased the team, that a re-tool or rebuild, or whatever you wanna call it, has had to be done.

Call me crazy but I think Franceso is not a stupid man! He's had a learning curve as an owner and I believe I read where he said "I've learned the success of the team doesn't depend on me". Linden has probably explained to him building thru the draft and he's accepted it imo.

1. Signing Miller I can buy somewhat. But then choosing Miller over Lack(especially considering the difference in salary and sv% is stupid). Bending said he had calls on Miller too...

2. Trading for Sbisa when they could have had a different asset plus the stupid contract for him.

3. Trading Kassian for an older, more expensive, less productive player. You're almost better off just telling him he's going to get waived if he doesn't get his act together and hope his off-ice issues improve due to fear of playing for the Yotes.

These are the 3 major issues I have. With Gillis, I at least saw logic behind every move but Benning makes some questionable decisions that look bad right away. At least MG's (frank) ups had some upside at the time they were made.
- Nucker101

There's nothing wrong with your opinion on what they should have done with Kassian... but I don't understand how you know they didn't already present him with a similar ultimatum.

Most of your concerns that made you jump ship are about things that haven't happened yet(players going to suck... staff going to suck... standings going to suck).... or assumptions of what goes on behind closed doors.

It's nice to just jump off one wagon and onto another that has mostly gone through this phase that the real canuck fans are going to have to go through. I'm jealous... I cant force myself to be that shallow.

Ya I did. Best special effects of any band live. Unreal. Amazing show every time. Peart was awesome too. Wow hes good. Theres a reason he was best drummer on the planet for 25 straight years. Ultimately his student portnoy has held that crown the last 12 or so.

Did you guys tickets from the link I posted?
- SMBDragon

Agreed, Peart is a phenom and arguably one of the greatest rock drummers to have hit the stage. The group is as tight as ever and proved once again that they are consummate professionals. Hard not to gush about any aspect of the show when the band does a 27 song set which features parts of their entire catalogue. Absolutely wicked musicianship and Lee can still hit some of those high notes! And of course the visuals were outstanding (I loved the little cartoon intro they did as well lol). I'm so glad I decided to go at the last minute.

I got my tickets from stub-hub (and got excellent seats for around $60 a piece - this was prior to your posting the link to the 'arena' website which seemed to have some crazy deals! as touched on, have you ever used the site for hockey? as I'm going to have to definitely check out in the future.

adjusted sv% takes into account the quality of shots faced and he still beats out Miller so I really have nothing else to change my mind.
- Nucker101

You keep coming back to being disgusted in not putting better short term players on the ice after a year of begging for a losing record.

We will just have to see. Everyone thought they wouldn't even make playoffs by a wide margin. We ended with 101 points. Decent year.

Perhaps like the staff there was a dressing room house cleaning with the clowns and cancers being moved out. That would make a difference in performance. I recall some new player which I think was bonino said he enjoyed vancouver and the team except for bieksa. Was a twiiter post I recall.

I will miss bieksa and his interviews the most. And now who will beat the piss outta marleau 5 times a season? Ill miss that for sure.

Another possibility is the young guys coming in have a great year.lyear like horvat did last year. Sven is looking good and somis JV, especially playing together. I think seeing them on the team may produce more positive outlooks. Corrado im expecting to have a breakout year here too.

I think they have the support to turn it over, but the ownership wants them to try to be competitive at the same time. This ownership group has fired the GM both times they've missed the playoffs.
- golfingsince

He also let Nonis and Gillis miss without firing them. Torts... well that is more of an isolated situation...

It was Canucks Don that said anyone changing their avatar was not a true Canucks fan. I was pointing out to DK that according to Don he doesn't think he was a true fan . I didn't think that comment needed an explanation but there you go I provided one
- VANTEL

I don't actually care about someone's avatar. Perhaps they are jumping ship or perhaps it's a joke. I just hate bandwagon fans. I'm a Canuck fan through all of the teams cycles

When are you planning the draft and is everyone confirmed for next year?
- LeftCoaster

Probs Sept...I'll do a roll call in mid to late August.

Miller's pretty old so I'm hesitant to just look at his career numbers, maybe the last 2 or 3 years. But going back any further to his prime is a mistake even though some goalies seem ageless.
- Nucker101

It doesnt stop people from arguing that Lack is a better starter even though he hasnt been one yet.

Can't judge by the past but we can assume how good someone will be in a situation he hasnt faced yet.

Miller's pretty old so I'm hesitant to just look at his career numbers, maybe the last 2 or 3 years. But going back any further to his prime is a mistake even though some goalies seem ageless.
- Nucker101

So that's how stats work! You just disregard the numbers that don't back up your argument. Got it.

I don't actually care about someone's avatar. Perhaps they are jumping ship or perhaps it's a joke. I just hate bandwagon fans. I'm a Canuck fan through all of the teams cycles
- CanuckDon

Miller's pretty old so I'm hesitant to just look at his career numbers, maybe the last 2 or 3 years. But going back any further to his prime is a mistake even though some goalies seem ageless.
- Nucker101

Yeah, i'm not going to worry about Miller's age. His last year in Buffalo he was amazing. Also, by the time his contract is up hopefully Markstrom is ready for the starters gig.

Agreed, Peart is a phenom and arguably one of the greatest rock drummers to have hit the stage. The group is as tight as ever and proved once again that they are consummate professionals. Hard not to gush about any aspect of the show when the band does a 27 song set which features parts of their entire catalogue. Absolutely wicked musicianship and Lee can still hit some of those high notes! And of course the visuals were outstanding (I loved the little cartoon intro they did as well lol). I'm so glad I decided to go at the last minute.

I got my tickets from stub-hub (and got excellent seats for around $60 a piece - this was prior to your posting the link to the 'arena' website which seemed to have some crazy deals! as touched on, have you ever used the site for hockey? as I'm going to have to definitely check out in the future.
- Zogg

Ya we got floor tickets for like $27. Floors are usually 100. Grabbed 4...took my son n his gf n his best friend. They were pretty floored by sound quality, tightness ofvthe band, showmanship, quality of the music, visual effects and of course that that music was only 3 guys.

1st time usingbthe site so no not hockey yet.

They didnt play limelight or red barchetta like they did in other cities.

Btw my nephew in calgary got his ticket off that site for $5. Crazy. No yyz or limelight in calgary tho.

There's nothing wrong with your opinion on what they should have done with Kassian... but I don't understand how you know they didn't already present him with a similar ultimatum.

Most of your concerns that made you jump ship are about things that haven't happened yet(players going to suck... staff going to suck... standings going to suck).... or assumptions of what goes on behind closed doors.

It's nice to just jump off one wagon and onto another that has mostly gone through this phase that the real canuck fans are going to have to go through. I'm jealous... I cant force myself to be that shallow.
- boonerbuck

The Flames thing is a joke

It's true, I'm looking at these moves that I don't agree with as a sign of things to come which is an assumption.

He also let Nonis and Gillis miss without firing them. Torts... well that is more of an isolated situation...
- boonerbuck

Gillis missed once and got canned, the first time Nonis missed was a different situation as they only owned half the team. Regardless, like lefty said it doesn't mean they'll do it again. I'm just saying they don't seem like the most patient family out there.

You keep coming back to being disgusted in not putting better short term players on the ice after a year of begging for a losing record.





- boonerbuck

That's not my beef with Benning, it's the logic(or lack of imo) behind his moves that worries me about what he might do next. The positives about him are that he's convinced Bieksa to waive and done a seemingly decent job with drafting(look! I can make positive assumptions too but no on cares about those).

So that's how stats work! You just disregard the numbers that don't back up your argument. Got it.
- Marwood

We should sign Marty Brodeur...great career numbers!!! Going back more than 3 years doesn't make much sense.

Gillis missed once and got canned, the first time Nonis missed was a different situation as they only owned half the team. Regardless, like lefty said it doesn't mean they'll do it again. I'm just saying they don't seem like the most patient family out there.
- golfingsince

Gillis missed his first season.