We should sign Marty Brodeur...great career numbers!!! Going back more than 3 years doesn't make much sense.
- Nucker101

I understand the convenience of your point.

Gillis missed his first season.
- boonerbuck

That was the Sundin season, we lost 2nd round to Chicago. He only missed once. Gillis was hired April 2008.

We should sign Marty Brodeur...great career numbers!!! Going back more than 3 years doesn't make much sense.
- Nucker101

We should have kept Alex Auld. Gonna be a great starter elsewhere!!!

We should have kept Alex Auld. Gonna be a great starter elsewhere!!!
- golfingsince

touché. I do think Lack was a bit overrated by this fan base but even if he makes 4M per on his next deal is take him over Miller. If we're cool with potentially sucking I would have gone with both Swedes.

And people use the experience argument against Lack but goalies will always be unproven starters until given a chance.

Ya we got floor tickets for like $27. Floors are usually 100. Grabbed 4...took my son n his gf n his best friend. They were pretty floored by sound quality, tightness ofvthe band, showmanship, quality of the music, visual effects and of course that that music was only 3 guys.

1st time usingbthe site so no not hockey yet.

They didnt play limelight or red barchetta like they did in other cities.

Btw my nephew in calgary got his ticket off that site for $5. Crazy. No yyz or limelight in calgary tho.
- SMBDragon

Wow $27 for floor seats - not too shabby. That looks to be a nice little site - I'll definitely have to check it out for any future events, including the Canucks. Usually Stub Hub and Ticket Leader also have some great deals. I saw a couple of Canucks' games last year with excellent seats (first row in the center balcony) for less than $100 for two.

And yes, if there was any sort of disappointment to be had last night, is that they did not play Red Barchetta and Limelight. Still, like I said, it's hard to complain when you get an almost 3 hour concert filled with bits of their entire catalogue. It always blows my mind with respect to the amazing musicianship the group has. Each one of the members is a virtuoso in his own rite. And then you get a generational talent like Peart, who transcends the boundaries of percussion and drumming.

Again, I'm so glad that I decided to go. Reading the various reviews and third party accounts, I would have been kicking myself had I not made that decision!

touché. I do think Lack was a bit overrated by this fan base but even if he makes 4M per on his next deal is take him over Miller. If we're cool with potentially sucking I would have gone with both Swedes.

And people use the experience argument against Lack but goalies will always be unproven starters until given a chance.
- Nucker101

Yeah, but Eddie's no spring chicken and then you run into another possible goalie debacle down the road with Markstrom.

Does anyone really believe that Benning only wanted a 3rd and 7th for Lack? Apparently he's not that highly thought of league wide.

That's not my beef with Benning, it's the logic(or lack of imo) behind his moves that worries me about what he might do next. The positives about him are that he's convinced Bieksa to waive and done a seemingly decent job with drafting(look! I can make positive assumptions too but no on cares about those).
- Nucker101

So you don't want them to ice a good team but if they don't... sigh....

See what I mean.

Lets hope these short term moves(on poop players) don't over achieve our drafting position... and it continues to carry on for a the short term that these horrible contracts are here for.

You agree JB's strength is scouting/drafting. He is weak on contracts. The two work in our favor. One day we will need a different GM. Try and think of a different set of goals and a different GM in the future.

We just need him to do better with the expiring contracts he is going to trade but people are uptight about not getting a better second round pick for worn out players(bieksa) or damaged goods(kassian) etc... they think it's better for the GM to take it dry from Wilson and get bullied for a better 2nd... or for not living up to rumors of offers that the media spews about the Lack move... or they want roster spots open no matter if it means waiving the player but are in arms over not getting a higher draft pick when the roster spot and cap space is created.

It really is a bunch of tail chasing. I still just see people not being able to decide on what they want. They want to rebuild *and* compete... it's obvious. The team is treading water like you said... but it's short term while waiting for NTC to fade away... not much in the way of options.

I know of more than one person on here who reminded me of the Mad king... "waive them, waive them all!"

That was the Sundin season, we lost 2nd round to Chicago. He only missed once. Gillis was hired April 2008.
- golfingsince

Damn, you are right

Damn, you are right
- boonerbuck

So you don't want them to ice a good team but if they don't... sigh....

See what I mean.

Lets hope these short term moves(on poop players) don't over achieve our drafting position... and it continues to carry on for a the short term that these horrible contracts are here for.

You agree JB's strength is scouting/drafting. He is weak on contracts. The two work in our favor. One day we will need a different GM. Try and think of a different set of goals and a different GM in the future.

We just need him to do better with the expiring contracts he is going to trade but people are uptight about not getting a better second round pick for worn out players(bieksa) or damaged goods(kassian) etc... they think it's better for the GM to take it dry from Wilson and get bullied for a better 2nd... or for not living up to rumors of offers that the media spews about the Lack move... or they want roster spots open no matter if it means waiving the player but are in arms over not getting a higher draft pick when the roster spot and cap space is created.

It really is a bunch of tail chasing. I still just see people not being able to decide on what they want. They want to rebuild *and* compete... it's obvious. The team is treading water like you said... but it's short term while waiting for NTC to fade away... not much in the way of options.

I know of more than one person on here who reminded me of the Mad king... "waive them, waive them all!"




- boonerbuck

I don't care what you think. If you are going to call me out at least have the balls to do it.Go find someone else to argue with your compulsive lecturing. I really don't give a rats ass what you think.
no beating around the bush with this post

I don't care what you think. If you are going to call me out at least have the balls to do it.Go find someone else to argue with your compulsive lecturing. I really don't give a rats ass what you think.
no beating around the bush with this post
- VANTEL

Take it easy... I mention people in plural. Last time I quoted something you said, I used your name.

Don't talk about having balls. You are too chicken for a rebuild you have been demanding for years. It's embarrassing to witness the person who put up the biggest fight for a rebuild to crumble under it's weight in 1 year.... and it has barely started

Take it easy... I mention people in plural. Last time I quoted something you said, I used your name.

Don't talk about having balls. You are too chicken for a rebuild you have been demanding for years. It's embarrassing to witness the person who put up the biggest fight for a rebuild to crumble under it's weight in 1 year.... and it has barely started

- boonerbuck

I will going forward not get into debates with you and your long winded lectures that you have to have on a daily routine with poster.

I will avoid your posts and ask you do the same.

1. Signing Miller I can buy somewhat. But then choosing Miller over Lack(especially considering the difference in salary and sv% is stupid). Bending said he had calls on Miller too...

2. Trading for Sbisa when they could have had a different asset plus the stupid contract for him.

3. Trading Kassian for an older, more expensive, less productive player. You're almost better off just telling him he's going to get waived if he doesn't get his act together and hope his off-ice issues improve due to fear of playing for the Yotes.

These are the 3 major issues I have. With Gillis, I at least saw logic behind every move but Benning makes some questionable decisions that look bad right away. At least MG's (frank) ups had some upside at the time they were made.
- Nucker101

I think that you have a closed mind and/or selective choices, Lack has no were near the
experience to say he should have been chosen over Miller, seriously one year of better sv% would have you keep him doesn't make very good management sense.

We all know you don't like Sibsa, but personally I'm ok to see how he progresses this coming year.

I'll come back after the season and admit you were right if he sh!ts the bed.

Kassian i'm glad is gone...talk about a work project, he was either injured or taking stupid penalties.

So you're telling me the Sundin aquisition was a smart hockey move by a GM, the Luongo affair was great GM management decision. The manner in which he treated Naslund was shameful, only to save face later by having the team honour him.

Gillis made some good decisions and some bad decisions, Benning will do the same...

I'm guessing you're around 25, I would like to see what you are going to be like in another 20-30 years, after watching this team go through challenges that a few of us have had to endure, I'm guessing you will be a bit more tempered in your expectations of rookie coaches, GM's and management...but i could be wrong

Wow $27 for floor seats - not too shabby. That looks to be a nice little site - I'll definitely have to check it out for any future events, including the Canucks. Usually Stub Hub and Ticket Leader also have some great deals. I saw a couple of Canucks' games last year with excellent seats (first row in the center balcony) for less than $100 for two.

And yes, if there was any sort of disappointment to be had last night, is that they did not play Red Barchetta and Limelight. Still, like I said, it's hard to complain when you get an almost 3 hour concert filled with bits of their entire catalogue. It always blows my mind with respect to the amazing musicianship the group has. Each one of the members is a virtuoso in his own rite. And then you get a generational talent like Peart, who transcends the boundaries of percussion and drumming.

Again, I'm so glad that I decided to go. Reading the various reviews and third party accounts, I would have been kicking myself had I not made that decision!
- Zogg

Absolutely. They are a must see on every tour. Even small details in the show are mindblowing like how they project lights and images on the ceiling. Why? Dont know but it was cool and shows how much they care abouts fans experience at the show. I also found it cool how theybwent backwards through their catalog and changed their gear kn stage tomreflect the period. For the final set they were down to having little fender amps on the stage. And small lighting on the side of the stage. Of course it was just props but the point was made. This band does not have to do these things, but theyndo for our enjoyment.

Oh I even got to sign a thank you card from Vancouver fans thanking the band for 40 years of entertainment.

Yes I agree peart is probably the most innovative drummer to ever walk the planet. Portnoy is the new king but without peart portnoy doesnt exist. The influence was so heavy.

I have to say I loved the Sundin signing. I think he really helped the Sedins become superstars. Once he played himself into shape he was a damned good player too.

So you don't want them to ice a good team but if they don't... sigh....

See what I mean.

Lets hope these short term moves(on poop players) don't over achieve our drafting position... and it continues to carry on for a the short term that these horrible contracts are here for.

You agree JB's strength is scouting/drafting. He is weak on contracts. The two work in our favor. One day we will need a different GM. Try and think of a different set of goals and a different GM in the future.

We just need him to do better with the expiring contracts he is going to trade but people are uptight about not getting a better second round pick for worn out players(bieksa) or damaged goods(kassian) etc... they think it's better for the GM to take it dry from Wilson and get bullied for a better 2nd... or for not living up to rumors of offers that the media spews about the Lack move... or they want roster spots open no matter if it means waiving the player but are in arms over not getting a higher draft pick when the roster spot and cap space is created.

It really is a bunch of tail chasing. I still just see people not being able to decide on what they want. They want to rebuild *and* compete... it's obvious. The team is treading water like you said... but it's short term while waiting for NTC to fade away... not much in the way of options.

I know of more than one person on here who reminded me of the Mad king... "waive them, waive them all!"




- boonerbuck

Well even if I was tanking I'd give Sbisa just bisons year qualifying offer and if he somehow has a good season then I'd happily give him a raise or trade him. Or just let him walk and open up more minutes for Clendening/Corrado. Miller has no place on a rebuilding team either, I'd rather see Lack/Markstrom. And again, if we're rebuilding then give Kassian another year to get his act together since the stakes are high but the upside is decent.

I think that you have a closed mind and/or selective choices, Lack has no were near the
experience to say he should have been chosen over Miller, seriously one year of better sv% would have you keep him doesn't make very good management sense.

We all know you don't like Sibsa, but personally I'm ok to see how he progresses this coming year.

I'll come back after the season and admit you were right if he sh!ts the bed.

Kassian i'm glad is gone...talk about a work project, he was either injured or taking stupid penalties.

So you're telling me the Sundin aquisition was a smart hockey move by a GM, the Luongo affair was great GM management decision. The manner in which he treated Naslund was shameful, only to save face later by having the team honour him.

Gillis made some good decisions and some bad decisions, Benning will do the same...

I'm guessing you're around 25, I would like to see what you are going to be like in another 20-30 years, after watching this team go through challenges that a few of us have had to endure, I'm guessing you will be a bit more tempered in your expectations of rookie coaches, GM's and management...but i could be wrong
- Makita

So true.

Well even if I was tanking I'd give Sbisa just bisons year qualifying offer and if he somehow has a good season then I'd happily give him a raise or trade him. Or just let him walk and open up more minutes for Clendening/Corrado. Miller has no place on a rebuilding team either, I'd rather see Lack/Markstrom. And again, if we're rebuilding then give Kassian another year to get his act together since the stakes are high but the upside is decent.
- Nucker101

The GM has to take his directive from the ownership group, or else he gets canned. I'm pretty sure they asked him to try to remain competitive while they rebuild the roster.

I don't think most fans even realize that the GM has to answer to a boss.

Wow $27 for floor seats - not too shabby. That looks to be a nice little site - I'll definitely have to check it out for any future events, including the Canucks. Usually Stub Hub and Ticket Leader also have some great deals. I saw a couple of Canucks' games last year with excellent seats (first row in the center balcony) for less than $100 for two.

And yes, if there was any sort of disappointment to be had last night, is that they did not play Red Barchetta and Limelight. Still, like I said, it's hard to complain when you get an almost 3 hour concert filled with bits of their entire catalogue. It always blows my mind with respect to the amazing musicianship the group has. Each one of the members is a virtuoso in his own rite. And then you get a generational talent like Peart, who transcends the boundaries of percussion and drumming.

Again, I'm so glad that I decided to go. Reading the various reviews and third party accounts, I would have been kicking myself had I not made that decision!
- Zogg

Next time we should all go as a group.
Dream theater is another great show ive seen about 4 times. Portnoys old band.

I think this thread needs some trolls to come in and get us all on the same side.

I think this thread needs some trolls to come in and get us all on the same side.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Nothing wrong with a healthy debate. It's just really hard to change another man's opinion.

I think that you have a closed mind and/or selective choices, Lack has no were near the
experience to say he should have been chosen over Miller, seriously one year of better sv% would have you keep him doesn't make very good management sense.

We all know you don't like Sibsa, but personally I'm ok to see how he progresses this coming year.

I'll come back after the season and admit you were right if he sh!ts the bed.

Kassian i'm glad is gone...talk about a work project, he was either injured or taking stupid penalties.

So you're telling me the Sundin aquisition was a smart hockey move by a GM, the Luongo affair was great GM management decision. The manner in which he treated Naslund was shameful, only to save face later by having the team honour him.

Gillis made some good decisions and some bad decisions, Benning will do the same...

I'm guessing you're around 25, I would like to see what you are going to be like in another 20-30 years, after watching this team go through challenges that a few of us have had to endure, I'm guessing you will be a bit more tempered in your expectations of rookie coaches, GM's and management...but i could be wrong
- Makita

But why are we settling for Miller if we're not contending? Why not keep both of the younger goalies? Miller's sv%has sucked since he's been in the western conference.

Not sure what Gillis has to do regarding Benning. Benning forced Garrison out after he took a discount to sign with his hometown team, he fired a long time equipment manager, I don't think he's as classy or honest as some like to pretend he is.

The GM has to take his directive from the ownership group, or else he gets canned. I'm pretty sure they asked him to try to remain competitive while they rebuild the roster.

I don't think most fans even realize that the GM has to answer to a boss.
- golfingsince

No doubt, I blame the Aqua Man as much as anyone.

But why are we settling for Miller if we're not contending? Why not keep both of the younger goalies? Miller's sv%has sucked since he's been in the western conference.

Not sure what Gillis has to do regarding Benning. Benning forced Garrison out after he took a discount to sign with his hometown team, he fired a long time equipment manager, I don't think he's as classy or honest as some like to pretend he is.
- Nucker101

I can see the firing of managers. It takes twice as long to get things done because of the two sides. It streamlines the process.

I can see the firing of managers. It takes twice as long to get things done because of the two sides. It streamlines the process.
- VANTEL

I'm guessing Gilman and Henning weren't big fans of some of Benning's moves.