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Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 26 @ 5:40 PM ET
I try the pvr route most often. usually I watch a few shows in the evening, pvr'd or downloaded to pc and watch on the big screen. I try to pvr connected at 10pm and notice there is a ball game that ends at 10pm and have to record 2 hours of connected hoping to get a full hour of it... that the game didn't go past 11pm - which has happened a couple times in recent memory.

Then again, I miss the Pacific Connected they had a couple years ago so maybe all my whining is about dealing with a lesser product that they can't even deliver on time.

- hillbillydeluxe


...I've given up trying to understand how broadcasters decide what's up and what's bumped. I record to the max...60-90 min after for most sports.

What pisses me off is baseball bumping the hockey to another channel that I didn't set up to record...
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jul 26 @ 5:45 PM ET
...I've given up trying to understand how broadcasters decide what's up and what's bumped. I record to the max...60-90 min after for most sports.

What pisses me off is baseball bumping the hockey to another channel that I didn't set up to record...

- Makita


yep. they are vey inconsistent, can't figure them out.

Even the Canucks lunch on tsn. you go look for it and they have some espn stuff that is taped instead of offering Canadian content that is live.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jul 26 @ 5:54 PM ET
I didn't turn on the games once nor do I know anyone that was following them other than a few on Twitter . I think CBC planned right and did not waster their money.
- VANTEL

CBC doesn't HAVE money to waste on it. Other than CBC RADIO 2 there is no need for CBC to even be around anymore...it's become a massive joke and hopefully they are punted from NHL coverage all together after their contract is up with SN. Pan Am games? Didn't waste one minute on it. More exciting to mow the lawn and watch the paint dry on my door...or watch the CFL now which is basically worse than watching high school football.

Sucks that Hearn couldn't hit a fairway today...gave it away...

Rant over going to catch the chinese food sale on at the mall...exciting
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Jul 26 @ 6:02 PM ET
I cheer for Jason day every damn tournament, and then he comes along and spoils the party for our canadian boy at home.


I hate that POS.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jul 26 @ 6:02 PM ET
I cheer for Jason day every damn tournament, and then he comes along and spoils the party for our canadian boy at home.


I hate that POS.

- vancity787


vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Jul 26 @ 6:16 PM ET

- hillbillydeluxe

Fukkin guy can never be clutch in the last nine holes of every damn tourny. And then he does this to me?

SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 26 @ 6:40 PM ET
Carol.....I think worth noting is also that semin, an established nhl talent signed for 1.1M this week. What makes baertschi feel hes worth more than a talented established nhler? Before you guys jump all over this read the entire post.....I know its cause hes lazy and a bum most of the time. But in negotiation terms, the canucks should use this as leverage. Thats my point.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 26 @ 6:52 PM ET
Daniel Henrik Vrbata

Sven Horvat Virtanen

Higgins Bonino Burrows

Dorsett/Kenins Vey Hansen/Prust


Give the kids a chance on the 2nd line ! Worked for the Flames

- shutout47


As much as I like the look of the sven horvat virtanen line I feel horvat is higher than bonino. Horvat has earned a 2nd line position and thus should start season like higgins, horvat, vrbatta with sven, bonino, virtanen on 3rd. Change as is fit. Bonino likely would have better year paired with a physical winger like virtanen and a skill guy on other like sven. Horvat playing with experienced smart players in higgins and vrbatta helps his development too.

Sven bonino hansen could also be good based on speed of hansen. Sometimes a its about a missing element to a line.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jul 26 @ 6:59 PM ET
Carol.....I think worth noting is also that semin, an established nhl talent signed for 1.1M this week. What makes baertschi feel hes worth more than a talented established nhler? Before you guys jump all over this read the entire post.....I know its cause hes lazy and a bum most of the time. But in negotiation terms, the canucks should use this as leverage. Thats my point.
- SMBDragon






First,,, one is a UFA and the other is a RA.

I don't think there is anything to compare. One is a older player trying to save his career and another is a prospect trying to get his first 1 way contract and establish himself as a NHL player.

Semin is not a market value player but Sven is and thats whats being negotiated.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 26 @ 7:06 PM ET
Carol.....I think worth noting is also that semin, an established nhl talent signed for 1.1M this week. What makes baertschi feel hes worth more than a talented established nhler? Before you guys jump all over this read the entire post.....I know its cause hes lazy and a bum most of the time. But in negotiation terms, the canucks should use this as leverage. Thats my point.
- SMBDragon


On the topic of Semin, I think the Habs got a great deal - very low risk (one year contract) and minimum salary of $1.1 with a lot of possible upside. I didn't hear about the signing until today and am a little surprised that it took so long to get a deal done - I was advocating taking a flyer on the guy for a short term- perhaps bonus laden deal at minimal salary. I wouldn't be surprised if Semin scores 30 next year - he's certainly got the talent (notwithstanding his often lackadaisical attitude)

I agree with your comment as it relates to Baertschi. If Semin (and Chaisson in particular, as noted) signs for that amount then the Canucks should have no problem signing Sven to a similar type of contract, which would still leave some cap room (I think the Canucks currently have $2.5 left? perhaps someone could confirm). Hopefully it gets done sooner than later, as that would wrap up the roster heading into next season - barring any other unexpected moves.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 26 @ 7:15 PM ET
On the topic of Semin, I think the Habs got a great deal - very low risk (one year contract) and minimum salary of $1.1 with a lot of possible upside. I didn't hear about the signing until today and am a little surprised that it took so long to get a deal done - I was advocating taking a flyer on the guy for a short term- perhaps bonus laden deal at minimal salary. I wouldn't be surprised if Semin scores 30 next year - he's certainly got the talent (notwithstanding his often lackadaisical attitude)

I agree with your comment as it relates to Baertschi. If Semin (and Chaisson in particular, as noted) signs for that amount then the Canucks should have no problem signing Sven to a similar type of contract, which would still leave some cap room (I think the Canucks currently have $2.5 left? perhaps someone could confirm). Hopefully it gets done sooner than later, as that would wrap up the roster heading into next season - barring any other unexpected moves.

- Zogg



Minor disagreement. I don't think the Habs got a great deal. I think they got a lazy soft player who is lucky to still get another contract.

He can score but hasn't as of late. He is useless defensively and not a good team player.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 26 @ 7:17 PM ET
Carol.....I think worth noting is also that semin, an established nhl talent signed for 1.1M this week. What makes baertschi feel hes worth more than a talented established nhler? Before you guys jump all over this read the entire post.....I know its cause hes lazy and a bum most of the time. But in negotiation terms, the canucks should use this as leverage. Thats my point.
- SMBDragon


Yes that would certainly endear him to JB..."hey Sven look at what Semin (a talented established nhler... ) just agreed to, if you could just be more like him and see your potential, maybe you too can make 1mil per.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 26 @ 7:23 PM ET
Minor disagreement. I don't think the Habs got a great deal. I think they got a lazy soft player who is lucky to still get another contract.

He can score but hasn't as of late. He is useless defensively and not a good team player.

- VANTEL


realistic assessment, it will be interesting to see if Therrien turns him around.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 26 @ 7:25 PM ET
realistic assessment, it will be interesting to see if Therrien turns him around.
- Makita

I agree . I was just pointing out Semin got what he deserved. It is a low risk gamble by the Habs, but indeed it is a gamble
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 26 @ 7:33 PM ET
Minor disagreement. I don't think the Habs got a great deal. I think they got a lazy soft player who is lucky to still get another contract.

He can score but hasn't as of late. He is useless defensively and not a good team player.

- VANTEL


We'll see how things pan out, but you can't deny the guy has talent (even if he is fairly streaky and at times lazy defensively). He's not that far removed from his best offensive season, in which he scored 40 goals. Again, I think it's a low risk/high upside type of situation. The Habs were able to sign him for just the one term and at a fairly minimal salary. Maybe a change of scenery and a new coach will basically enable a fresh start.

In fact, I'm actually fairly surprised that he would sign for so little (which means he really wants to stay in the NHL and which bodes well for the team) as he could of easily bolted to Russia. Perhaps this suggests that he realizes he has one last chance to get his career back on track and will produce accordingly.

Let's return to this discussion in January, though - I think with the right line-mates and usage, Semin could have some success. He's not that old yet and still has the tools to put up some decent numbers. The main thing is that the Habs are looking at low risk with significant upside, and hence the reason I think it's a good signing.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 26 @ 7:35 PM ET
Toronto making a bid for the Olympics

IMO not the right time to be spending billions on new facility and security. I usually am in favour but we have three Olympic cities already no need for a fourth
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 26 @ 7:37 PM ET
We'll see how things pan out, but you can't deny the guy has talent (even if he is fairly streaky and at times lazy defensively). He's not that far removed from his best offensive season, in which he scored 40 goals. Again, I think it's a low risk/high upside type of situation. The Habs were able to sign him for just the one term and at a fairly minimal salary. Maybe a change of scenery and a new coach will basically enable a fresh start.

In fact, I'm actually fairly surprised that he would sign for so little (which means he really wants to stay in the NHL and which bodes well for the team) as he could of easily bolted to Russia. Perhaps this suggests that he realizes he has one last chance to get his career back on track and will produce accordingly.

Let's return to this discussion in January, though - I think with the right line-mates and usage, Semin could have some success. He's not that old yet and still has the tools to put up some decent numbers. The main thing is that the Habs are looking at low risk with significant upside, and hence the reason I think it's a good signing.

- Zogg



Definitely know what you are getting at.

I look at it as he had talent and was comfortable playing with country mates when he was on the Caps. I don't think he will return to that form
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 26 @ 7:45 PM ET
realistic assessment, it will be interesting to see if Therrien turns him around.
- Makita

He'll be rooming with Kassian
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 26 @ 8:05 PM ET
He'll be rooming with Kassian
- A_SteamingLombardi


That was my point yesterday too, semin subban zakk.....lots of attitude problems for the habs this year. I see it sinking the team.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 26 @ 8:08 PM ET
That was my point yesterday too, semin subban zakk.....lots of attitude problems for the habs this year. I see it sinking the team.
- SMBDragon

What's wrong with Subban?
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 26 @ 8:09 PM ET


First,,, one is a UFA and the other is a RA.

I don't think there is anything to compare. One is a older player trying to save his career and another is a prospect trying to get his first 1 way contract and establish himself as a NHL player.

Semin is not a market value player but Sven is and thats whats being negotiated.

- boonerbuck


Never did I compare them. Was merely saying normally the kids get smaller contracts than established guys.

I realize hes a bum, I ever said so in the post.

Geez guys actually read these messages to see what is actually being said. Seems like everyone just skims, assumes what youre saying then posts about it. Christ
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 26 @ 8:11 PM ET
What's wrong with Subban?
- A_SteamingLombardi


Major attitude.....well known for it. You even see it on the ice during games. female doges and whines if he isnt oassed the puck, blows up at refs. Hes got a rep by team mates to be a real Ahole.
I hope his brother isnt like that.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 26 @ 8:17 PM ET
Major attitude.....well known for it. You even see it on the ice during games. female doges and whines if he isnt oassed the puck, blows up at refs. Hes got a rep by team mates to be a real Ahole.
I hope his brother isnt like that.

- SMBDragon

I'd take him and his attitude any day.
phyllee
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 06.24.2014

Jul 26 @ 8:19 PM ET
If Higgins starts on the second line waiting for someone to take it from him, id be fine with that, but higgins better not be on the second unit power play over Horvat or baertchi
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 26 @ 8:21 PM ET
I'd take him and his attitude any day.
- A_SteamingLombardi

You can never have enough minorities. Vancouver could draw fans from Seattle
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