That clip yesterday didn't show an honourable Lucic.

But who cares as long as he sticks up for team mates.
- hillbillydeluxe

You're referring to the stick in the nuts? Meh, you guys would be surprised what goes on on the ice during a game. The number of cheapshots that everyone does is never captured on TV. Hell even the twins get one in now and again

I disagree with this in that signing Lucic isn't about winning a Championship or any "window", it's about him and his presence just being in the lineup. A lineup of all skilled forwards keeps getting the Oiler top three picks. It's about having that blend of size, speed, skill and toughness.

Having a player like him makes the upcoming kids walk taller and makes the team more difficult to play against. If he would take a four year deal at a reasonable number I'd sign him for sure.

Do I like him, no, but if he helps the team win I'm all for it. At least he's an honourable douche-bag lol, he doesn't bite or pull hair. He just smashes your teeth in!!!
- LeftCoaster

Torts is that you?

I don't really see how you can call the stick work he has done honorable, among some of his other questionable plays he has made. To top all of that off he cries foul when someone hits him, threatens after losing, says ridiculous things in public.

I can understand why people like his toughness but really, honorable?

Higgins needs to go

Less shootouts this year because of 3 on 3

How many shootouts did Higgins participate in 3?
- VANTEL

he went 3 for 5 in the shootout.... maybe change him to a Dman, he would still be better than Sbisa

Torts is that you?

I don't really see how you can call the stick work he has done honorable, among some of his other questionable plays he has made. To top all of that off he cries foul when someone hits him, threatens after losing, says ridiculous things in public.

I can understand why people like his toughness but really, honorable?
- belcherbd

ok maybe that was a bit too much lol...

Yea I expect 6 .

7 mil
- VANTEL

Just throwing it out there because it wouldn't be the first time JB paid a little more for what he wanted.

it isn't so bad if you overpay on a short deal if there isn't an ntc. at least that way, you can decide to try and resign or trade and get some picks at the end of his short contract if he still has value. a longer contract, you are just locked in and we might have some cheaper younger players pushing for spots.

Torts is that you?

I don't really see how you can call the stick work he has done honorable, among some of his other questionable plays he has made. To top all of that off he cries foul when someone hits him, threatens after losing, says ridiculous things in public.

I can understand why people like his toughness but really, honorable?
- belcherbd

Do you watch / like football?

Every play has some player biting , hair pulling , spitting , balls grabbing, scratching and trying to break someone's leg.

Just throwing it out there because it wouldn't be the first time JB paid a little more for what he wanted.

it isn't so bad if you overpay on a short deal if there isn't an ntc. at least that way, you can decide to try and resign or trade and get some picks at the end of his short contract if he still has value. a longer contract, you are just locked in and we might have some cheaper younger players pushing for spots.
- hillbillydeluxe

JB overpay

Just throwing it out there because it wouldn't be the first time JB paid a little more for what he wanted.

it isn't so bad if you overpay on a short deal if there isn't an ntc. at least that way, you can decide to try and resign or trade and get some picks at the end of his short contract if he still has value. a longer contract, you are just locked in and we might have some cheaper younger players pushing for spots.
- hillbillydeluxe

I can agree that it isn't bad if you overpay, but you still need to get decent value out of that player. This is why some are okay with Dorsett's deal but most can't understand Sbisa.

I can agree that it isn't bad if you overpay, but you still need to get decent value out of that player. This is why some are okay with Dorsett's deal but most can't understand Sbisa.
- belcherbd

Three years.

Worth every penny. Think of all the high draft picks we will get

You're referring to the stick in the nuts? Meh, you guys would be surprised what goes on on the ice during a game. The number of cheapshots that everyone does is never captured on TV. Hell even the twins get one in now and again
- LeftCoaster

for sure.

I think he would be more willing to stand up for team mates than a some of the supposed gritty guys we have had or his presence might make some opposing players think twice before cheap delivering a cheap shot.

I would do 6 mil too. I am hoping for less but 6 max and 4 years max
- VANTEL

Totally agree.

He is an emotional player. Playing for his hometown/childhood team will bring out the best in him. Plus we need an injection of mean in the top 6.

4 years at 5 or 5.5 I would absolutely sign him. I don't like him as I think he has a bad past, especially from 2011, but he sure does give his linemates a chip on their shoulder and make them a bit tougher when he is playing. I think it adds grit throughout the line up ass opposed to one line as well.

Do you watch / like football?

Every play has some player biting , hair pulling , spitting , balls grabbing, scratching and trying to break someone's leg.
- VANTEL

I enjoy football but don't watch it as much anymore.

Regardless of which sport I'm watching there are players who in my opinion are scum and Lucic is one of them.
I don't think we are going to agree on this, your position seems to be the ends justify the means and it happens in every sport.

My position is that I think integrity is as important as winning, everyone has there own bar on what is acceptable from players.

for sure.

I think he would be more willing to stand up for team mates than a some of the supposed gritty guys we have had or his presence might make some opposing players think twice before cheap delivering a cheap shot.
- hillbillydeluxe

I hated when we played the Kings . Every game Brown would go after the twins. Nolan was another guy targeting our top players. We would spend the whole game trying to retaliate.

I would be screaming at the TV and screaming on here for us to initiate attacks on Kopitar or Drew Doughnuts.

Canucks have a history of taking it up the ass and rarely giving it. That would change

Nobody talks about Prusts payment, a tough guy who gets 5 goals is getting 2.5 and a tough guy who gets more then triple the goals 4.5-5. If benning offered 7 for 3 or 4 years i would have no problem with that, plus in these next two years loosing alot of cap space anyway

I enjoy football but don't watch it as much anymore.

Regardless of which sport I'm watching there are players who in my opinion are scum and Lucic is one of them.
I don't think we are going to agree on this, your position seems to be the ends justify the means and it happens in every sport.

My position is that I think integrity is as important as winning, everyone has there own bar on what is acceptable from players.
- belcherbd

Integrity has not worked out well for us in the past, should I pull out the video of Sedin being speed bagged by Marchand as the Canucks looked on?

I can agree that it isn't bad if you overpay, but you still need to get decent value out of that player. This is why some are okay with Dorsett's deal but most can't understand Sbisa.
- belcherbd

I think I can understand both sides of it.

Sbisa is paid too much money, cheaper alternatives, low hockey IQ, should have let him walk rather than sign him at that figure. what was the rush to resign him?

or

JB basically gave him a small raise from what he might have been due. the kid is a wonderful skater, can deliver a good hit, plays with a bit of grit and was getting more involved with the scrums towards the end of the season.

Also, not sure what dmen were going to be available in the off season, bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush. JB likes his style of play. And is liked in the room. Short contract and not much behind him in the org with the same skill set ready to play.


If we didn't resign him, I believe we would have survived, but maybe overpaid on a Franson. But that contract is so short, it doesn't cripple the Canucks.


Dorsett brings what we have been lacking in the bottom 6 for a little while, since Torres- a guy who can skate and hit, makes opposing players keep their heads up. Makes us a little harder to play against, gives team mates some confidence that someone has their back.

I can understand Dorsett more than Sbisa too.

Integrity has not worked out well for us in the past, should I pull out the video of Sedin being speed bagged by Marchand as the Canucks looked on?
- VANTEL

I know it well, but I would prefer to watch my team play with integrity then win with losers. Maybe that doesn't make me a hardcore fan in some people's eyes , but those are my standards.

Had a Canuck skated over and cheapshotted marchand, I wouldn't of felt better about it. I would of prefered Daniel standing up for himself, regardless it didn't happen.

I also don't buy that a player like Lucic stops guys like Marchand from being a Richard, but I do think he would enable his teammates to cheap shot guys.

I hated when we played the Kings . Every game Brown would go after the twins. Nolan was another guy targeting our top players. We would spend the whole game trying to retaliate.

I would be screaming at the TV and screaming on here for us to initiate attacks on Kopitar or Drew Doughnuts.

Canucks have a history of taking it up the ass and rarely giving it. That would change
- VANTEL

i think you're overestimating what lucic would bring to the team. imo, the biggest deterrent that the B's had was not lucic but rather chara. chara didn't need to get into many fights b/c most guys just didn't want to engage him.

lucic is tough for sure but i don't think he'd provide quite the "sheriff" role that you do.

having said that, i don't think having a "tougher" team in the short term will really have an appreciable effect on the rebuild.

I hated when we played the Kings . Every game Brown would go after the twins. Nolan was another guy targeting our top players. We would spend the whole game trying to retaliate.

I would be screaming at the TV and screaming on here for us to initiate attacks on Kopitar or Drew Doughnuts.

Canucks have a history of taking it up the ass and rarely giving it. That would change
- VANTEL

Toughness can come a lot cheaper then 6-7 mil a year. This year will be interesting to see what Lucic does. He had a pretty bad year offensively last year and he seemed to get distracted by the extra circular activities and take undisciplined penalties.

He seems good when things are going well but can't handle it when things don't go well.

Lucic is basically Ben Eager with a scoring touch that might or might not be drying up.

i think you're overestimating what lucic would bring to the team. imo, the biggest deterrent that the B's had was not lucic but rather chara. chara didn't need to get into many fights b/c most guys just didn't want to engage him.

lucic is tough for sure but i don't think he'd provide quite the "sheriff" role that you do.

having said that, i don't think having a "tougher" team in the short term will really have an appreciable effect on the rebuild.
- RealityChecker

We had a pretty tough player in Sestito playing for us when Nolan was going after Henrik, it didn't accomplish anything. Team toughness needs to come from your top lines IMO anyways, having 4th line tough guys doesn't accomplish much.

This is why I can understand the appeal of having Lucic in the top 6 but I just can't stand him.

I know it well, but I would prefer to watch my team play with integrity then win with losers. Maybe that doesn't make me a hardcore fan in some people's eyes , but those are my standards.

Had a Canuck skated over and cheapshotted marchand, I wouldn't of felt better about it. I would of prefered Daniel standing up for himself, regardless it didn't happen.

I also don't buy that a player like Lucic stops guys from Marchand from being a Richard, but I do think he would enable his teammates to cheap shot guys.
- belcherbd

I blame the instigator rule. But that is a whole other thread altogether.

We had a pretty tough player in Sestito playing for us when Nolan was going after Henrik, it didn't accomplish anything. Team toughness needs to come from your top lines IMO anyways, having 4th line tough guys doesn't accomplish much.

This is why I can understand the appeal of having Lucic in the top 6 but I just can't stand him.
- belcherbd

totally agree.

were the canucks at a different stage, i'd be all for signing lucic. as to where the canucks stand right now, i just think he would make them a better "mediocre team."

i think lucic is a total douche but a player like him is what was missing from the contender years. sadly, those days are over for the next few seasons.

Gotta love Jack Edwards.

"Lucic, trading with Prout...Lucic goes down on one knee."

Had Lucic Done that to Prout, it's more along the lines of:

"Lucic ABSOLUTELY HAMMERS PROUT AND SENDS HIM SPRAWLING TO THE ICE!"

Still trying to figure out how getting 1-punch KO'd is "trading."

We had a pretty tough player in Sestito playing for us when Nolan was going after Henrik, it didn't accomplish anything. Team toughness needs to come from your top lines IMO anyways, having 4th line tough guys doesn't accomplish much.

This is why I can understand the appeal of having Lucic in the top 6 but I just can't stand him.
- belcherbd

ahhh, Sestito........ he might as well have been wearing a Glatt 69 jersey