Some people take this site too seriously.
- Nucker101

So you're saying OEL isnt the best human being in the league? #TannerLogic

Stanknation.

If you wanted to tank you wouldnt bawl constantly about this team having poop players... and not using cap space wisely.... and not getting better in our conference... and crying about every addition not being as good as the player let go and on and on...

You want to tank but hate the GM every step of the way for not giving you a competitive team... before a single game is even played... and this after the GM did waaaay better than you cried about last season when his moves were not going to help compete in this league like you told everyone...

You are the most confused kid on HB.

- boonerbuck

And apparently Giordano isn't injury prone but misses close to 20 games/sesaon consistently now...pretty much set your clock by it...

Stanknation.

If you wanted to tank you wouldnt bawl constantly about this team having poop players... and not using cap space wisely.... and not getting better in our conference... and crying about every addition not being as good as the player let go and on and on...

You want to tank but hate the GM every step of the way for not giving you a competitive team... before a single game is even played... and this after the GM did waaaay better than you cried about last season when his moves were not going to help compete in this league like you told everyone...

You are the most confused kid on HB.

- boonerbuck

I've been over this so many times that I should just copy and paste it


It scares me that our GM responsible for this rebuild/retool overpays in the majority of his signings/trades. Losing trades means losing assets which hurts any team in any position(contending/rebuilding). And cap flexibility is also a huge asset. You can take advantage of cap ceiling teams during the summer, sign UFA's who can be flipped for more picks/prospects, etc. An unintentional tank is embarrassing. And even if they don't tank, another year of mediocrity is also pointless.

That's it in a nut shell for me. It's just one posters opinion. Feel free to call me a Gillis lover or continue to misunderstand my posts. I've said these exact same things a few times this summer.

Some people take this site too seriously.
- Nucker101

I don't hate you, friend. I'm a little dissapointed in you but there's no hate.
You're not quite in the sensnucksnocups & Bingo catagory, yet.

Toews
Crosby
Stamkos
Seguin
Kopitar

would be my top 5 center's in the league

And apparently Giordano isn't injury prone but misses close to 20 games/sesaon consistently now...pretty much set your clock by it...


- LordHumungous

He had a freak injury. This is the same fanbase(some of them) that thought Bieksa would never play a full season after his freak injuries and said Kesler won't last a full season after he got traded.

I don't hate you, friend. I'm a little dissapointed in you but there's no hate.
You're not quite in the sensnucksnocups & Bingo catagory, yet.
- Marwood

I want to see this team ever successful as much as any of you guys but I straight up don't believe in this management. I know the reasonable thing to do is wait and see but the warning signs are already there for me.

I hope to God that I'm wrong.

He had a freak injury. This is the same fanbase(some of them) that thought Bieksa would never play a full season after his freak injuries and said Kesler won't last a full season after he got traded.
- Nucker101

Just so I am clear.. You are a Canucks Fan who is trolling Flames fans with your avatar and location comment but have since turned Canucks Troll? Basically what I am asking, are Canucks your team or is Calgary?

I want to see this team ever successful as much as any of you guys but I straight up don't believe in this management. I know the reasonable thing to do is wait and see but the warning signs are already there for me.

I hope to God that I'm wrong.
- Nucker101

BTW, My Avatar > Your Avatar

Just so I am clear.. You are a Canucks Fan who is trolling Flames fans with your avatar and location comment but have since turned Canucks Troll? Basically what I am asking, are Canucks your team or is Calgary?
- Codes1087

See above. It's just a joke.

BTW, My Avatar > Your Avatar
- Codes1087

Love both players but give me Bennett. If only the Canucks tanked a bit harder that year, they could have had both

See above. It's just a joke.
- Nucker101

So you're saying you're a Canucks fan. Ok, just wanted to be on the same page.

So you're saying you're a Canucks fan. Ok, just wanted to be on the same page.
- Codes1087

Oilers

Oilers
- Nucker101

I want to see this team ever successful as much as any of you guys but I straight up don't believe in this management. I know the reasonable thing to do is wait and see but the warning signs are already there for me.

I hope to God that I'm wrong.
- Nucker101

You probably are.

You probably are.
- Marwood

I'd say the Vegas odds would probably be on my side.

I've been over this so many times that I should just copy and paste it


It scares me that our GM responsible for this rebuild/retool overpays in the majority of his signings/trades. Losing trades means losing assets which hurts any team in any position(contending/rebuilding). And cap flexibility is also a huge asset. You can take advantage of cap ceiling teams during the summer, sign UFA's who can be flipped for more picks/prospects, etc. An unintentional tank is embarrassing. And even if they don't tank, another year of mediocrity is also pointless.

That's it in a nut shell for me. It's just one posters opinion. Feel free to call me a Gillis lover or continue to misunderstand my posts. I've said these exact same things a few times this summer.
- Nucker101

it's about having a balanced approach or view point on the team.

sure, we would all love a "perfect" rebuild but i hate to tell you that there is absolutely no such thing. btw, there's no santa clause or tooth fairy either.

the major work in a rebuild is done through the draft. the trades/signings should be complementary to that.

while i don't agree with some signings or trades, i can still see the positives that are coming through the draft. also, i can acknowledge that i'm also wrong at times (hard to believe, i know.) i thought the team would do much worse last year especially with all the injuries (especially on d) that they had to endure. that makes me think that the management and coach might know a thing or two about building hockey teams.

i can agree with your opinion that benning has not done all the "right" things according to our (amateur's) viewpoint but i also acknowledge that he has done a lot of things right.

what i and a lot of other posters don't understand is how you can be so chicken little about it all.

btw, a few days ago you posted that the team would tank by incompetence and you couldn't support that b/c they weren't tanking on purpose. that's equivalent to me saying that i wouldn't want eva mendes to sleep with me due to my enormous appendage rather than my awesome personality.

Toews
Crosby
Stamkos
Seguin
Kopitar

would be my top 5 center's in the league
- Retinalz

Stammer wasn't the best center on his own team ....

Stammer wasn't the best center on his own team ....
- Redmile247

I'd disagree with that, he fell of during the Playoffs last year. But he has been a top scorer in the league for some time.

it's about having a balanced approach or view point on the team.

sure, we would all love a "perfect" rebuild but i hate to tell you that there is absolutely no such thing. btw, there's no santa clause or tooth fairy either.

the major work in a rebuild is done through the draft. the trades/signings should be complementary to that.

while i don't agree with some signings or trades, i can still see the positives that are coming through the draft. also, i can acknowledge that i'm also wrong at times (hard to believe, i know.) i thought the team would do much worse last year especially with all the injuries (especially on d) that they had to endure. that makes me think that the management and coach might know a thing or two about building hockey teams.

i can agree with your opinion that benning has not done all the "right" things according to our (amateur's) viewpoint but i also acknowledge that he has done a lot of things right.

what i and a lot of other posters don't understand is how you can be so chicken little about it all.

btw, a few days ago you posted that the team would tank by incompetence and you couldn't support that b/c they weren't tanking on purpose. that's equivalent to me saying that i wouldn't want eva mendes to sleep with me due to my enormous appendage rather than my awesome personality.
- RealityChecker

This.

This.
- Marwood

But not this

it's about having a balanced approach or view point on the team.

sure, we would all love a "perfect" rebuild but i hate to tell you that there is absolutely no such thing. btw, there's no santa clause or tooth fairy either.

the major work in a rebuild is done through the draft. the trades/signings should be complementary to that.

while i don't agree with some signings or trades, i can still see the positives that are coming through the draft. also, i can acknowledge that i'm also wrong at times (hard to believe, i know.) i thought the team would do much worse last year especially with all the injuries (especially on d) that they had to endure. that makes me think that the management and coach might know a thing or two about building hockey teams.

i can agree with your opinion that benning has not done all the "right" things according to our (amateur's) viewpoint but i also acknowledge that he has done a lot of things right.

what i and a lot of other posters don't understand is how you can be so chicken little about it all.

btw, a few days ago you posted that the team would tank by incompetence and you couldn't support that b/c they weren't tanking on purpose. that's equivalent to me saying that i wouldn't want eva mendes to sleep with me due to my enormous appendage rather than my awesome personality.
- RealityChecker

You win the post of the day...so far. And I love your analogy with Eva.

Nuckers a good guy all in all, and a contradiction in posts from one day to another. But his underlying position has always been the same...he doesn't like this management team, period. And that's his prerogative, but it would be nice if he toned down the rhetoric and discussed things in a more meaningful way instead of baiting, trolling his own team and fans.

it's about having a balanced approach or view point on the team.

sure, we would all love a "perfect" rebuild but i hate to tell you that there is absolutely no such thing. btw, there's no santa clause or tooth fairy either.

the major work in a rebuild is done through the draft. the trades/signings should be complementary to that.

while i don't agree with some signings or trades, i can still see the positives that are coming through the draft. also, i can acknowledge that i'm also wrong at times (hard to believe, i know.) i thought the team would do much worse last year especially with all the injuries (especially on d) that they had to endure. that makes me think that the management and coach might know a thing or two about building hockey teams.

i can agree with your opinion that benning has not done all the "right" things according to our (amateur's) viewpoint but i also acknowledge that he has done a lot of things right.

what i and a lot of other posters don't understand is how you can be so chicken little about it all.

btw, a few days ago you posted that the team would tank by incompetence and you couldn't support that b/c they weren't tanking on purpose. that's equivalent to me saying that i wouldn't want eva mendes to sleep with me due to my enormous appendage rather than my awesome personality.
- RealityChecker

I think everyone agrees that a good team is built through the draft and I think if you go back and look, Nucker as well as most who have critiqued Benning agree with that and also like what he has done in the draft.

You are basing your assumptions of the quality of management on the result of last season's success and the assumption that the picks that mgmt have made will turn out.

The only player to make a significant contribution to this team that Benning is responsible for bringing in was Vrbata and arguably Bonino and Miller, although IMO the latter two did not deliver what was promoted by mgmt.
I'll give credit for mgmt in getting rid of Torts but that wasn't exactly a difficult decision to make, time will tell if WD is a good coach.

The players that carried this team last year were for the most part all remnants of the previous regime. (waits to be called a Gillis lover)

So far I think there are some tangible things mgmt has done that clearly hasn't worked out yet and for the most part only assumptions that things will go right in the future.

But not this

- Retinalz

If only he kept up the genius he had in 2011....hit every move as a home run.
Hamius, torres, Lappierre, erhoff, higgins, malhotra all were huge parts of the cup run. with Lappierre and torres scoring key clutch goals in the final.

was a slope downward from there.
seems like he got really stupid in the last 2-3 years here. Wonder how much of that was ownership meddling. He seemed pretty pissed off the last 1/2 season and even said publicly he wanted ownership to stay out of the way so he could do his job.
we know ownership wanted torts for example.

but regardless, we will never know for sure. But he sucked at drafting for sure....with the exception of horvat of course.

it's about having a balanced approach or view point on the team.

sure, we would all love a "perfect" rebuild but i hate to tell you that there is absolutely no such thing. btw, there's no santa clause or tooth fairy either.

the major work in a rebuild is done through the draft. the trades/signings should be complementary to that.

while i don't agree with some signings or trades, i can still see the positives that are coming through the draft. also, i can acknowledge that i'm also wrong at times (hard to believe, i know.) i thought the team would do much worse last year especially with all the injuries (especially on d) that they had to endure. that makes me think that the management and coach might know a thing or two about building hockey teams.

i can agree with your opinion that benning has not done all the "right" things according to our (amateur's) viewpoint but i also acknowledge that he has done a lot of things right.

what i and a lot of other posters don't understand is how you can be so chicken little about it all.

btw, a few days ago you posted that the team would tank by incompetence and you couldn't support that b/c they weren't tanking on purpose. that's equivalent to me saying that i wouldn't want eva mendes to sleep with me due to my enormous appendage rather than my awesome personality.
- RealityChecker

Love that analogy

I see what you're saying but there's a big difference to me. The unintentional tank will include less cap flexibility, potentially even more NTC's if Benning really dies want to make a UFA splash next year. The purposeful rebuild/tank would likely include more cap flexibility and more draft picks/prospects.

I know the Sedins aren't going anywhere so tanking hard for #1 isn't possible but just being smarter with cap/asset management alone will equal more opportunities to acquire additional draft picks and youth than what Benning has done so far.

It just seems like he's always buying high and selling low, part of that is the situation he walked into but he hasn't exactly given himself more trade leverage since then with what he's done. He still seems like he's in a desperate situation to me.


I have issues with Sutter, Sbisa, Miller/Lack, Prust and even Garrison/Vey/Dorsett to an extent.

The moves just don't make sense when I look at them as a whole. He hasn't created much cap space, or added plenty of picks or really improved the team much outside of Vrbata who's somewhat replacing Kesler's production(admittedly doing a better job than Kesler, but playing a lesser role in other facets).

It seems like Benning has one foot stuck in each door and putting too much faith in a not so deep pool of prospects.