You win the post of the day...so far. And I love your analogy with Eva.

Nuckers a good guy all in all, and a contradiction in posts from one day to another. But his underlying position has always been the same...he doesn't like this management team, period. And that's his prerogative, but it would be nice if he toned down the rhetoric and discussed things in a more meaningful way instead of baiting, trolling his own team and fans.
- Makita

Fair enough. But again, sometimes when I make a serious post with points to back it up, I'm met with short troll responses as well.

If only he kept up the genius he had in 2011....hit every move as a home run.
Hamius, torres, Lappierre, erhoff, higgins, malhotra all were huge parts of the cup run. with Lappierre and torres scoring key clutch goals in the final.

was a slope downward from there.
seems like he got really stupid in the last 2-3 years here. Wonder how much of that was ownership meddling. He seemed pretty pissed off the last 1/2 season and even said publicly he wanted ownership to stay out of the way so he could do his job.
we know ownership wanted torts for example.

but regardless, we will never know for sure. But he sucked at drafting for sure....with the exception of horvat of course.
- SMBDragon

Yeah, it's bizarre that he basically did a 180. He got too cute with his drafting theories as well and tried to "buy low" on declining veterans when the team was already headed downward. The NTC'scane back to bite him in the ass and everyone loves to complain about them but does this team even make the SCF had they paid an extra 500K-1M for each player instead of giving them a ntc? Probably not.

You win the post of the day...so far. And I love your analogy with Eva.

Nuckers a good guy all in all, and a contradiction in posts from one day to another. But his underlying position has always been the same...he doesn't like this management team, period. And that's his prerogative, but it would be nice if he toned down the rhetoric and discussed things in a more meaningful way instead of baiting, trolling his own team and fans.
- Makita

I think while he does go overboard with some things, he usually supports his arguments with a lot more effort than most posters.

As far as trolling our own team and fans, well there are a good number on this board who do that.....

Fair enough. But again, sometimes when I make a serious post with points to back it up, I'm met with short troll responses as well.
- Nucker101

this may be a result of your Avatar and past responses... Just saying..

You win the post of the day...so far. And I love your analogy with Eva.

Nuckers a good guy all in all, and a contradiction in posts from one day to another. But his underlying position has always been the same...he doesn't like this management team, period. And that's his prerogative, but it would be nice if he toned down the rhetoric and discussed things in a more meaningful way instead of baiting, trolling his own team and fans.
- Makita

I actually enjoyed his posts for the last couple years, until last year's playoffs. ... Then he went a little to far too the dark side.

Now some hockey talk. Assess where we are come the deadline. Find someone to take burrows and vrabata. Resign Hamhuis 4m x 2 yrs, sign lucky for 6.5mil x 4 or 5mil x 7 with a modified no trade in the back half/full ntc for the first half. Take a run at Seabrook if he's available, if not hold the cap space.
Sedin Sedin lucic (at least 35 goals with the twins)
Sven Sutter virtanen (interchangeable two lines)
Higgins horvat prust (line 2/3)
Dorset vey/? Hanson

Edler Seabrook
Hamhuis Tanev
Sbisa Corrado
Bartkoski

Miller/mMarkstrom /demco
Discuss

I want to see this team ever successful as much as any of you guys but I straight up don't believe in this management. I know the reasonable thing to do is wait and see but the warning signs are already there for me.

I hope to God that I'm wrong.
- Nucker101

You are dead wrong. So don't worry!

this may be a result of your Avatar and past responses... Just saying..
- Codes1087

Most here know that I'm a Canucks fan, especially the ones I usually have these discussions with.

You are dead wrong. So don't worry!
- CanuckDon

Makita:


Exhibit A right here.

Most here know that I'm a Canucks fan, especially the ones I usually have these discussions with.
- Nucker101

I'm just saying, those who don't that see you as a "troll" and your avatar isn't helping. Sarcasm is sometimes tough to identify when you are reading it online, so I dont want to say you have it coming, but I can see where people would get that idea..

Yeah, it's bizarre that he basically did a 180. He got too cute with his drafting theories as well and tried to "buy low" on declining veterans when the team was already headed downward. The NTC'scane back to bite him in the ass and everyone loves to complain about them but does this team even make the SCF had they paid an extra 500K-1M for each player instead of giving them a ntc? Probably not.
- Nucker101

that may be right.
still wonder if the nosedive he did was actually management. He could probably see it going into the toilet with what ownership wanted to do. He clearly hated torts and saw it destroying the team hence his comments....kinda like "see what your moves do"

I'm essentially wondering if it was more ownership that messed up.

Love that analogy

I see what you're saying but there's a big difference to me. The unintentional tank will include less cap flexibility, potentially even more NTC's if Benning really dies want to make a UFA splash next year. The purposeful rebuild/tank would likely include more cap flexibility and more draft picks/prospects.

I know the Sedins aren't going anywhere so tanking hard for #1 isn't possible but just being smarter with cap/asset management alone will equal more opportunities to acquire additional draft picks and youth than what Benning has done so far.

It just seems like he's always buying high and selling low, part of that is the situation he walked into but he hasn't exactly given himself more trade leverage since then with what he's done. He still seems like he's in a desperate situation to me.


I have issues with Sutter, Sbisa, Miller/Lack, Prust and even Garrison/Vey/Dorsett to an extent.

The moves just don't make sense when I look at them as a whole. He hasn't created much cap space, or added plenty of picks or really improved the team much outside of Vrbata who's somewhat replacing Kesler's production(admittedly doing a better job than Kesler, but playing a lesser role in other facets).

It seems like Benning has one foot stuck in each door and putting too much faith in a not so deep pool of prospects.
- Nucker101

could not have said it better myself

Fair enough. But again, sometimes when I make a serious post with points to back it up, I'm met with short troll responses as well.
- Nucker101

I absolutely agree, there seems a fine line between serious and sarcastic and how the tone of the posts are perceived by each individual reading them. It would be nice if people could respond without being antagonistic

If only he kept up the genius he had in 2011....hit every move as a home run.
Hamius, torres, Lappierre, erhoff, higgins, malhotra all were huge parts of the cup run. with Lappierre and torres scoring key clutch goals in the final.

was a slope downward from there.
seems like he got really stupid in the last 2-3 years here. Wonder how much of that was ownership meddling. He seemed pretty pissed off the last 1/2 season and even said publicly he wanted ownership to stay out of the way so he could do his job.
we know ownership wanted torts for example.

but regardless, we will never know for sure. But he sucked at drafting for sure....with the exception of horvat of course.
- SMBDragon

Cassel and Grenier are good picks that can still turn out. Same with Subban.

Cassel and Grenier are good picks that can still turn out. Same with Subban.
- Retinalz

I still have hope in Jensen and Shinkaruk aswell as those 3.

Cassel and Grenier are good picks that can still turn out. Same with Subban.
- Retinalz

True. I do wonder if subban is too small however to translate to nhl.
cassels and grenier absolutely.

I still have hope in Jensen and Shinkaruk aswell as those 3.
- phyllee

Jensen no.....seems to be an absolute bust. Shinkaruk yes.

Jensen no.....seems to be an absolute bust. Shinkaruk yes.
- SMBDragon

Jensens still younger, could turn it again, also forgot about corrado, there taking there time with him but what ive seen hes good

Love that analogy

I see what you're saying but there's a big difference to me. The unintentional tank will include less cap flexibility, potentially even more NTC's if Benning really dies want to make a UFA splash next year. The purposeful rebuild/tank would likely include more cap flexibility and more draft picks/prospects.

I know the Sedins aren't going anywhere so tanking hard for #1 isn't possible but just being smarter with cap/asset management alone will equal more opportunities to acquire additional draft picks and youth than what Benning has done so far.

It just seems like he's always buying high and selling low, part of that is the situation he walked into but he hasn't exactly given himself more trade leverage since then with what he's done. He still seems like he's in a desperate situation to me.


I have issues with Sutter, Sbisa, Miller/Lack, Prust and even Garrison/Vey/Dorsett to an extent.

The moves just don't make sense when I look at them as a whole. He hasn't created much cap space, or added plenty of picks or really improved the team much outside of Vrbata who's somewhat replacing Kesler's production(admittedly doing a better job than Kesler, but playing a lesser role in other facets).

It seems like Benning has one foot stuck in each door and putting too much faith in a not so deep pool of prospects.
- Nucker101

i have said several times and you know that i agree with a lot of the substance of what you say. even with respect to MG (that'll win me a lot of fans).

what i don't like is the attitude that you've come to develop. while i see red flags and warning signs just like you, you just seem to be setting up an "i told you so," response. that just seems childish.

simply put, you come across as an 8 year old who flips the game board over when he thinks that he's losing.

the difference here is that we don't control and can't control what's happening. so basically, what i'm saying is that you should take a deep breath and relax. let things play out.

either way, this is a multi-year plan. flipping out like this now, will leave you no room to flip out worse in the future

Jensens still younger, could turn it again, also forgot about corrado, there taking there time with him but what ive seen hes good
- phyllee

I think it is all about expectations, people just really pumped up Jensen after he tore it up offensively in Europe.

He scored 14g 14a in 59 games last year and actually improved on his ppg from the previous season but for some reason is seen as a bust.
28 points isn't dominating by any stretch but don't forget the Comets were an offensively inept team last season, and look to be worse this year.

He still has a great shot, NHL size and skates well.

Makita:


Exhibit A right here.
- Nucker101

I'm not sure that would classify as a "trolling" response. I strongly disagree with your view on the current management group which I told you in more detailed posts in the past. Was just a little short on time today.

I think it is all about expectations, people just really pumped up Jensen after he tore it up offensively in Europe.

He scored 14g 14a in 59 games last year and actually improved on his ppg from the previous season but for some reason is seen as a bust.
28 points isn't dominating by any stretch but don't forget the Comets were an offensively inept team last season, and look to be worse this year.

He still has a great shot, NHL size and skates well.
- belcherbd

Agreed, if he threw his size around, Benning would be a big fan

i have said several times and you know that i agree with a lot of the substance of what you say. even with respect to MG (that'll win me a lot of fans).

what i don't like is the attitude that you've come to develop. while i see red flags and warning signs just like you, you just seem to be setting up an "i told you so," response. that just seems childish.

simply put, you come across as an 8 year old who flips the game board over when he thinks that he's losing.

the difference here is that we don't control and can't control what's happening. so basically, what i'm saying is that you should take a deep breath and relax. let things play out.

either way, this is a multi-year plan. flipping out like this now, will leave you no room to flip out worse in the future
- RealityChecker

Like most of your posts, well said

Like most of your posts, well said
- CanuckDon

Some people take this site too seriously.
- Nucker101

Hence my new location

Credit goes to Reality Checker.
Couldn't quote him. (Hey HB IT team can you fix the 'can't quote 1st page' problem, please!)
- Marwood

I just close my browser and open a new one and it works fine.