I agree. Just seems weird that GMs haven't foreseen that situation and made provisions to deal with it. That's why I thought it may be a CBA issue.
- RealityChecker

It might but like WhiteLie says, I don't see why a player would agree even if it was allowed.

I don't think a player would want to sign it if that clause was in there. The power goes back to the team and I imagine it would open a can of worms regarding the definition of asking out, whether through comments/performance/etc. A player could make it very well known they are unhappy but not ask for a trade to try to get around the clause
- WhiteLie

Good point.

Just would want both sides (especially the team) to make provisions for all possible scenarios.

Btw, I thought it was dirty pool by Ottawa when they traded Hossa for heatley a few weeks after they signed him. In negotiations, you should foresee most possible outcomes and make provisions to deal with them.

Good point.

Just would want both sides (especially the team) to make provisions for all possible scenarios.

Btw, I thought it was dirty pool by Ottawa when they traded Hossa for heatley a few weeks after they signed him. In negotiations, you should foresee most possible outcomes and make provisions to deal with them.
- RealityChecker

I agree it can be dirty both ways. I think of LA and Richards (or even Vancouver/Luongo) as a situation where the team would want to get out of the NTC and Kesler/Heatley as players taking advantage of it. Rarely does the one forced to make the trade win the deal. I would like to see provisions/insurance provided by the league to ensure the teams get fair value back on these forced deals

Good point.

Just would want both sides (especially the team) to make provisions for all possible scenarios.

Btw, I thought it was dirty pool by Ottawa when they traded Hossa for heatley a few weeks after they signed him. In negotiations, you should foresee most possible outcomes and make provisions to deal with them.
- RealityChecker

When you got married did you make provisions for all possible scenarios?

I agree it can be dirty both ways. I think of LA and Richards (or even Vancouver/Luongo) as a situation where the team would want to get out of the NTC and Kesler/Heatley as players taking advantage of it. Rarely does the one forced to make the trade win the deal. I would like to see provisions/insurance provided by the league to ensure the teams get fair value back on these forced deals
- WhiteLie

I guess I don't see it as a "forced deal". As any negotiation between an employee and employer, it should be between the two of them to reach an agreement provided again it is in fair practice.

Can you imagine the tin foil hats coming out if the league got to decide what a player was worth or which deal was the most fair ?

I agree it can be dirty both ways. I think of LA and Richards (or even Vancouver/Luongo) as a situation where the team would want to get out of the NTC and Kesler/Heatley as players taking advantage of it. Rarely does the one forced to make the trade win the deal. I would like to see provisions/insurance provided by the league to ensure the teams get fair value back on these forced deals
- WhiteLie

That is the perfect reason never to give players NTCs

These would get us a top 5 pick for sure
- Codes1087

That's ok

When you got married did you make provisions for all possible scenarios?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I don't conduct business with the same emotions that I do my personal life.

I see your point but these issues are not hard to foresee.

I get the arguments both ways. I just would like to see some fairness. I didn't like how they pushed out Garrison, nor did I like how the Kesler situation played out. There has to be a middle ground.

But asking for fairness just shows how out of touch I am.

I guess I don't see it as a "forced deal". As any negotiation between an employee and employer, it should be between the two of them to reach an agreement provided again it is in fair practice.

Can you imagine the tin foil hats coming out if the league got to decide what a player was worth or which deal was the most fair ?
- belcherbd

Oh no I totally agree, the conspiracy theories on that would be ridiculous. Like when the NBA blocked the Chris Paul trade, those kinds of intervention ruin the free market. I just think that its far too often that players asking their way out (for sometimes valid reasons) causes a team to own a diminished asset (though it isn't really) not by their own choosing and causing them to take a step backwards. Thats what I would like to see some insurance for, though I don't know how to accomplish that

I don't conduct business with the same emotions that I do my personal life.

I see your point but these issues are not hard to foresee.

I get the arguments both ways. I just would like to see some fairness. I didn't like how they pushed out Garrison, nor did I like how the Kesler situation played out. There has to be a middle ground.

But asking for fairness just shows how out of touch I am.
- RealityChecker

Yeah Fairness has different meanings for fans and billionaire hockey team owners.

Yeah Fairness has different meanings for fans and billionaire hockey team owners.
- A_SteamingLombardi

And the argument that new GMs make "well I wasn't the one who gave him a NTC," is the biggest bunch of BS out there. A GM doesn't hand out the NTC; a team does. The GM is only the team's agent in negotiations.

And the argument that new GMs make "well I wasn't the one who gave him a NTC," is the biggest bunch of BS out there. A GM doesn't hand out the NTC; a team does. The GM is only the team's agent in negotiations.
- RealityChecker

yeah some of the poop that comes out of their mouths is great, they're just covering the owner's asses.

yeah some of the poop that comes out of their mouths is great, they're just covering the owner's asses.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I guess we can all agree that we should force nucker to accept a trade to tanner's thread. We'll take back a handful of Arizona desert.

I guess we can all agree that we should force nucker to accept a trade to tanner's thread. We'll take back a handful of Arizona desert.
- RealityChecker

I think things will change with nucker as soon as the season starts.

I guess I don't see it as a "forced deal". As any negotiation between an employee and employer, it should be between the two of them to reach an agreement provided again it is in fair practice.

Can you imagine the tin foil hats coming out if the league got to decide what a player was worth or which deal was the most fair ?
- belcherbd

The Death Star Scenario.
My god that would be ugly.

I think things will change with nucker as soon as the season starts.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I know. He's a good poster (for the most part.). This Canucks' board would be the worse without him.

Doesn't mean we can't tease him.

I know. He's a good poster (for the most part.). This Canucks' board would be the worse without him.

Doesn't mean we can't tease him.

- RealityChecker

I think things will change with nucker as soon as the season starts.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I'm not so sure. I am willing to bet there will be a whole lot of "told you so" comments each game..

I'm not so sure. I am willing to bet there will be a whole lot of "told you so" comments each game..
- WhiteLie

If that happens we'll get Booner to "take him fishing"

If that happens we'll get Booner to "take him fishing"
- A_SteamingLombardi

Busy day getting ready for the Salmon Festival in Port Alberni, whud I miss?

If that happens we'll get Booner to "take him fishing"
- A_SteamingLombardi

What could go wrong with a fishing trip?

What could go wrong with a fishing trip?

- RealityChecker

Nucker getting both barrels I see lol....he's a good kid and he's got some educated opinions. Although I'm not sure he actually knows how to play the game, he's smart.

I actually agree with some of his assessments on Benning, BUT, he's gotten to the point where he can see no good of this, which is wrong IMO, and he's become whiny.

Drafting is the essential building block that Benning gets and IMO he's good at, this will takes some time and in the long term I think he'll be pleasantly surprised.

I still like busting his balls now and again, because I know he can take it.

Steaming - pm me that candied salmon chowder recipe if you've got it.