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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:26 PM ET
Just become a Season Ticket Holder so that you can copy & paste the roomer chart for us.
- Marwood


My take on the rumour chart:

A bunch of guys will get talked about, none of them will actually get traded, then one guy who wasn't on the rumour chart will get traded and Ek will tell us "I told you so", but he didn't.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:29 PM ET
My take on the rumour chart:

A bunch of guys will get talked about, none of them will actually get traded, then one guy who wasn't on the rumour chart will get traded and Ek will tell us "I told you so", but he didn't.

- 1970vintage

I'm sensing cynicism.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 29 @ 3:29 PM ET
Maybe, maybe not. You're probably right, there's probably at least one team where Corrado would be an upgrade to the top 8, but if he hasn't played well enough to earn a spot here do you send Hutton down so you don't lose Corrado? What does that say about an organization if you punish a player for playing too well because it is convenient for you to send him to the minors?
- 1970vintage


If Corrado is truly not ready and mgmt feel like he is an asset you can afford to lose then it makes sense. But the reality is this organization can't afford to lose prospects for free just because of a meh showing in preseason.

People complain on here all the time that the organization needs to do better job developing players, and IMO jettisoning a player who has gotten better every season just because there is a shiny new toy who is playing well is terrible development.

Allow Corrado to play some games that matter and if he is still not ready risk him through waivers and bring up Hutton then. If it's okay to send Subban to France without a sniff of preseason games, wouldn't the same mentality apply to Hutton?

He can always be called up later if he continues his strong play.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:31 PM ET
If Corrado is truly not ready and mgmt feel like he is an asset you can afford to lose then it makes sense. But the reality is this organization can't afford to lose prospects for free just because of a meh showing in preseason.

People complain on here all the time that the organization needs to do better job developing players, and IMO jettisoning a player who has gotten better every season just because there is a shiny new toy who is playing well is terrible development.

Allow Corrado to play some games that matter and if he is still not ready risk him through waivers and bring up Hutton then. If it's okay to send Subban to France without a sniff of preseason games, wouldn't the same mentality apply to Hutton?

He can always be called up later if he continues his strong play.

- belcherbd


As I said to RC, I don't think its really a matter of Hutton OR Corrado, I'd have both on the team.

BUT, for the sake of argument (cause that's what we like to do), if you make it clear to your players and prospects that you plan to ice the best team possible, and you state that if your play is deemed to be greater then someone you are competing with for a job, and then you end up doing the convenient thing instead of the thing you said you are going to do, how does that make you look?

I get that loosing a player for nothing that you have spent resources on developing isn't ideal, but if you loose him on waivers it means he will actually get an opportunity to play in the NHL, which is his ultimate goal.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:33 PM ET
Personally, I would keep both, I don't think Hutton and Corrado are actually competing for the same job. I'd send Sbisa down to make room
- 1970vintage

can he be sent directly to the echl?

i would run:
sedins burrows
baertschi horvat vrbatta
gaunce sutter hansen
dorsett mccann prust
vey
IR: higgins

tanev edler
hamhuis weber
bartkowski hutton

sbisa corrado

the question is what do you do when higgins comes back?

edit: meant to say that this gives mccann his 9 game audition. did not mean to say that he is on the roster for the full 82 (unless he earns it in the first 9).
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 29 @ 3:35 PM ET
i'll preface my post by saying that hutton has absolutely played himself ahead of corrado on the depth chart.

however, i'm on the side of being cautious about the waiver situation. if they are reasonably (feel good about it but acknowledge there are risks) sure that he can clear, that would be the obvious move. but if it's unlikely that corrado can clear, i keep him instead of hutton.

simply put, you need to keep the prospects that you develop. the team can't have put in 4 years of development time into a player only to let him go for nothing when he is on the precipice of becoming a player.

send hutton down and work out a deal to free up a roster spot. even if that means that you run 8 dmen.

- RealityChecker


Exactly.
Many had JV penciled into the starting lineup, then Gaunce, and now McCann.
Corrado was supposed to be the prospect to play D that many were excited about, now its Hutton and Coraddo is expendable.
I'll just remind people that this is preseason, players are still shaking off the rust and injuries ALWAYS happen. It would be foolish to get rid of a prospect of his caliber when its not necessary.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 29 @ 3:35 PM ET
As I said to RC, I don't think its really a matter of Hutton OR Corrado, I'd have both on the team.
- 1970vintage

Ya I just read that, but Sbisa, Bartkowski and Weber are all safe so it has to be between those two.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 29 @ 3:40 PM ET
can he be sent directly to the echl?

i would run:
sedins burrows
baertschi horvat vrbatta
gaunce sutter hansen
dorsett mccann prust
vey
IR: higgins

tanev edler
hamhuis weber
bartkowski hutton

sbisa corrado

the question is what do you do when higgins comes back?

- RealityChecker


i'm on the same boat...well similar.

Sedin/Sedin/Burrows
baertschi horvat vrbatta
gaunce sutter hansen
dorsett mccann prust
vey
IR: higgins
JV to get his 9 games/press box depending on who under performs/sits (?gaunce/bear gee, prust, etc).

tanev edler
hamhuis Sbisa
bartkowski Corrado
Weber
Hutton to Utica
PopCanBong
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 01.22.2013

Sep 29 @ 3:41 PM ET
Except Schroeder, I'm pretty sure he cried at his exit interview.

I'm not sure which I hate more, the stupid A&W adds that keep creeping down the screen, or the pop-up that comes up every time the page refreshes letting me know I'm steeling from Ek by using AdBlock.

- 1970vintage


I know, just trying to lurk around as usual and that stupid friggin A & W ad keeps moving my damn screen back up.

Last night after hockey I couldn't decide on A & W or mc Bloaters and then I remembered the damn ad on HB - went to Mc D's!

belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Sep 29 @ 3:43 PM ET
can he be sent directly to the echl?

i would run:
sedins burrows
baertschi horvat vrbatta
gaunce sutter hansen
dorsett mccann prust
vey
IR: higgins

tanev edler
hamhuis weber
bartkowski hutton

sbisa corrado

the question is what do you do when higgins comes back?

- RealityChecker


If Vey loses his spot to McCann, I think the organization would likely be willing to lose him via waivers.

There are always 4th liners availible if he gets scooped up and McCann needs to be sent down.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:44 PM ET
can he be sent directly to the echl?

i would run:
sedins burrows
baertschi horvat vrbatta
gaunce sutter hansen
dorsett mccann prust
vey
IR: higgins

tanev edler
hamhuis weber
bartkowski hutton

sbisa corrado

the question is what do you do when higgins comes back?

edit: meant to say that this gives mccann his 9 game audition. did not mean to say that he is on the roster for the full 82 (unless he earns it in the first 9).

- RealityChecker


NHL contracts can't be sent to the ECHL without player approval. When Higgins comes back someone else will be on the IR, so no problems there. Remember Sami Salo's achilles injury... Then when he was healed, someone else was suddenly struck down by injury.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 29 @ 3:45 PM ET
I can't remember Vey playing much wing last season, maybe they should try him on the wing.

Still trying to figure out the lineup if they keep both JV and McCann for their 9 games.

Sedins Burrows
Baertshchi Horvat Vrbata
Vey Sutter Hansen
Prust McCann Dorsett
JV

IR: Higgins

require waivers:
Cracknell

Utica or press box: Gaunce, Kenins, Grenier

Is Corrado waiver eligible?

Is Biega or Cracknell going to have to clear waivers to go to Utica?

- hillbillydeluxe

JV to Jr
Vey to press box
Gaunce to 3rd line
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Sep 29 @ 3:47 PM ET
i'll preface my post by saying that hutton has absolutely played himself ahead of corrado on the depth chart.

however, i'm on the side of being cautious about the waiver situation. if they are reasonably (feel good about it but acknowledge there are risks) sure that he can clear, that would be the obvious move. but if it's unlikely that corrado can clear, i keep him instead of hutton.

simply put, you need to keep the prospects that you develop. the team can't have put in 4 years of development time into a player only to let him go for nothing when he is on the precipice of becoming a player.

send hutton down and work out a deal to free up a roster spot. even if that means that you run 8 dmen.

- RealityChecker


I'll preface my post to say I've only watched 1 pre-season game (mercifully) but Hutton looked better than Sbisa in it. Unfortunately I think Sbisa is virtually untradeable on his current contract and Benning just signed him to that glorious extension.

I would carry 8 Dmen personally. One of them are bound to get injured.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Sep 29 @ 3:47 PM ET
So what can we get for Corrado and Vey. Separate or pack together)
- Yannick72


Benning would give you a 2nd for each ....29 other Gm's ....they would just let them be waived and claim them for nothing
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Sep 29 @ 3:48 PM ET
Sbisa played well last night.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:51 PM ET
Benning would give you a 2nd for each ....29 other Gm's ....they would just let them be waived and claim them for nothing
- Redmile247


Are you saying that 29 other GM's would waive these two players, and then claim them back again? I think what you mean to say is "...waive them and get nothing once they are claimed"

If it's a certainty that those players would be claimed off waivers, then the smart GM would not expose them to waivers, so what you have said, inadvertently, is that Benning is smarter then all 29 other GM's.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:51 PM ET
Sbisa played well last night.
- thundachunk

He had a good start but when back to himself as the game went on. Had a couple of giveaways that could have been avoided. He and Corrado are always overthinking, I feel like both are a giveaway waiting to happen.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Sep 29 @ 3:52 PM ET
Sbisa played well last night.
- thundachunk


Wow, he had one good hit in the 1st and then played like a ECHLer for the rest of the game.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:52 PM ET
Are you saying that 29 other GM's would waive these two players, and then claim them back again? I think what you mean to say is "...waive them and get nothing once they are claimed"

If it's a certainty that those players would be claimed off waivers, then the smart GM would not expose them to waivers, so what you have said, inadvertently, is that Benning is smarter then all 29 other GM's.

- 1970vintage


Lol...no
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Sep 29 @ 3:52 PM ET
Bundle him up!
- LordHumungous

Vey + Sbisa for a 3rd
Or Vey for a 2nd
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:53 PM ET
Wow, he had one good hit in the 1st and then played like a ECHLer for the rest of the game.
- bloatedmosquito

I don't get why Andrew Alberts didn't have more fans here since hits are so important, he had as many hits with probably less giveaways.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Sep 29 @ 3:53 PM ET
All this Corrado on waivers talk is going to hurt his Team Canada aspirations.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 29 @ 3:53 PM ET
All this Corrado on waivers talk is going to hurt his Team Canada aspirations.
- bloatedmosquito

And his feelings.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Sep 29 @ 3:54 PM ET
I knew that would draw some attention.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Sep 29 @ 3:55 PM ET
Vey + Sbisa for a 3rd
Or Vey for a 2nd

- Retinalz


Benning is the only one who would make those deals. Unfortunately, you can't trade with yourself.
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